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Obscure 1950s Recordings Tournament - May Preliminary Round - Group 1
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SavoyBG
2019-05-03 02:39:43 UTC
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Okay, the prelims are ready. Group 1 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.

The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers


If You Need Me - Fats Domino


Marvella - Spinners


I Give My Heart To You - The Accents

SavoyBG
2019-05-03 02:47:28 UTC
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MY RANKINGS

1. If You Need Me - Fats Domino - 8
2. The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers - 8
3. Marvella - Spinners - 6
4. I Give My Heart To You - The Accents - 5
SavoyBG
2019-05-03 02:47:58 UTC
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My 4 records are in groups 7, 9, 10 and 11.
Carl
2019-05-03 03:25:28 UTC
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1. Fats
2. Accents
3. Spinners
4. Isleys

Carl
Roger Ford
2019-05-03 03:26:52 UTC
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Okay, the prelims are ready. Group 1 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
If You Need Me - Fats Domino - 9
The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers - 7
Marvella - Spinners - 6
I Give My Heart To You - The Accents -6


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2019-05-03 11:34:15 UTC
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Okay, the prelims are ready. Group 1 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
If You Need Me - Fats Domino - 9
My favorite Fats number from the Imperial label that was never in any
of the Battles. First appeared on Fats' second Imperial LP ("Fats
Domino Rock And Rollin'") in 1956 but actually recorded in October
1953 :- .

27 October 1953 J and M Studio, 838 North Rampart St., New Orleans, LA
Fats Domino [vcl/piano], Walter Nelson [gt], Frank Fields [bass],
Cornelius Coleman [drums], Wendell Duconge, Robert "Buddy" Hagans,
Lee Allen or Herb Hardesty [sax])
056 IM 648 BARRELHOUSE LP-9055 BCD-15541
057 IM 649/IM 1081* LITTLE SCHOOL GIRL [ARE YOU GOING MY WAY*]
45-5272 IMP 143*/LP-9009* BCD-15541
058 IM 650 IF YOU NEED ME IMP 143/LP-9009 BCD-15541

Definitely NOT to confused with the same titled but different song by
Fats from 1960 that was a minor hit for him that year
Post by Roger Ford
The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers - 7
Very good but I prefer the even better "Angels Cried" side that WAS in
the 1957 Singles Battle (and also the later Dynamic Debuts Battle)

Yes,this was their first record launching the boys on a lonnnnnnnnnnng
career that would see them embrace just about every style of r&b/soul
/funk etc you can imagine---and all of them with great success
Post by Roger Ford
Marvella - Spinners - 6
Good number by the Pittsburg Ca group.

See the seperate post on the different "Spinners" groups on here today
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I Give My Heart To You - The Accents -6
Talking about same named but different groups these are one of the
many "Accents" outfits---these being the Brunswick guys that nearly
made the Top 50 in 1958 with "Wiggle Wiggle"---itself famous for being
a virtual ripoff of "Little Bitty Pretty One". The number here was the
followup to that one

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DianeE
2019-05-03 04:11:38 UTC
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Okay, the prelims are ready. Group 1 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers
http://youtu.be/vAQ3Uzgk83Y
If You Need Me - Fats Domino
http://youtu.be/eMUFE6FcYxg
Marvella - Spinners
http://youtu.be/8bqzYzlY-qQ
I Give My Heart To You - The Accents
http://youtu.be/AmPqWZ2JnV4
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1-Isleys
2-Spinners (so now there were *3* groups with that name?)
3-Fats Domino
4-Accents
Roger Ford
2019-05-03 05:46:46 UTC
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2-Spinners (so now there were *3* groups with that name?)
3???

Think there were a few more than that

OK here's what I have----in chronological order..................

1. THE SPINNERS - Marvella - 1958

On the Rhythm label this was a California group

2. THE SPINNERS - Lover's Prayer - 1958

Smooth black doowop ballad on Capitol

3. THE SPINNERS - Richard Pry Private Eye - 1959

Black Coasters-ish number on End. Some say this is the same group as
(2) above

4. THE SPINNERS - Little Otis - 1959

Dreadful white group number on Warner Bros. These guys worked with
rockabilly star Johnny Carroll on the label

5. THE SPINNERS - Boomerang - 1960

Ho-hum surf instrumental on Crystalette

6. THE SPINNERS - Dream - 1961

Decent black doowop revival of the old ballad.On Liberty label.Same
group as (2)??

7. THE SPINNERS - That's What Girls Are Made For - 1961

And of course this was the Tri-Phi debut of THE Spinners!!

8. THE SPINNERS - Happy Hootenanny - 1963

White hayseed instrumental group on Smash

9. THE SPINNERS - It Must Be Love -1964

Whiite pop duo on RCA. From the UK I think--where the record appeared
as by "The Sun Specs"

10. THE SPINNERS - Beetle Mania - year unknown but prob. 1964

I never heard this but flip is "Surfing Monkey" so perhaps same group
as (5) above??? On Lawson label.

Finally of course there is...

11.. THE SPINNERS

The popular UK folk group whose name caused a clash with THE famous US
R&B/soul vocal group causing them to be known first as "The Motown
Spinners" here in the UK and later as "The Detroit Spinners" when
they switched to Atlantic

Can anybody add to (or correct) any of the above? Thanks!!



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DianeE
2019-05-04 18:11:36 UTC
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Post by DianeE
2-Spinners (so now there were *3* groups with that name?)
3???
Think there were a few more than that
OK here's what I have----in chronological order..................
1. THE SPINNERS - Marvella - 1958
On the Rhythm label this was a California group
2. THE SPINNERS - Lover's Prayer - 1958
Smooth black doowop ballad on Capitol
3. THE SPINNERS - Richard Pry Private Eye - 1959
Black Coasters-ish number on End. Some say this is the same group as
(2) above
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Well, according to Disco-File the"Love's Prayer" and "Marvella" Spinners
are the same group, but not the "Richard Pry" Spinners.

I'm going to just paste the Disco-File "Spinners" material below,
excluding the well-known Detroit group. It doesn't list some of the
ones you listed, but it does include a 1958 release on Herald by
"Claudine (Clark) & the Spinners"! Note he uses "BMG" to mean black
male group, "WFG" white female group, etc.

SPINNERS (BMG; SEE SECTION 3 ON THE CAPITOL LABEL)
[MAURICE ALLEN, LAWRENCE BRICE, GILBERT JOSEPH, ROBERT THOMAS]
CAPITOL F3955 GOOFIN'
18380 02:02 03/--/58
LOVE'S PRAYER
18381 02:02
c RHYTHM 125 MY LOVE AND YOUR LOVE
RH-1056 02:19 --/--/58
MARVELLA
RH-1055 01:52

SPINNERS (BMG)
END 1045 BIRD WATCHIN'
496 NT 03/--/59
RICHARD PRY, PRIVATE EYE
497 NT

SPINNERS (BMG; SEE CHORD SPINNERS)
LIBERTY 55339 DREAM
LB-4008 02:25 05/23/61
TILL THE END OF TIME
LB-4010 02:40

SPINNERS, CLAUDINE CLARK &
** HERALD H-521 TEEN AGE BLUES
H-1368 02:30 05/--/58
ANGEL OF HAPPINESS
H-1367 02:31

** ACCORDING TO THE HERALD MASTER FILES, THE ARTIST ASSIGNED TO THIS
RELEASE IS “CLAUDINE & THE SPINNERS.”

SPINNERS, HARVEY & (BMG; SEE SPINNERS, LOE & JOE &)
[GEORGE DIXON, HENRY FAMBROUGH, HARVEY FUQUA, BILLY HENDERSON, PERVIS
JACKSON, BOBBY SMITH]
TRI-PHI TP-1010 SHE LOVES ME SO
N8OW-4101; H-2364-G 02:50 03/--/62
WHISTLING BOUT YOU
N8OW-4102; H-2363-G 02:27

SPINNERS, TOMMY LANDIS & (WMGS) (CALIFORNIA)
[LARRY BALDWIN, EDDY DOTTI, THOMAS GAGLIO (AKA TOMMY LANDIS), TONY
RUVALO, CARLO SAN PAOLO]
WYN W-1603 A SOMEONE TO LOVE
1603-A 02:12 05/--/59
B BABY I’M IN LOVE WITH YOU
1603-B

SPINNERS, LOE & JOE & (BMG; SEE SPINNERS, BOBBY SMITH &) (LOE & JOE =
LORRI RUDOLPH & JOE CHARLES)
HARVEY 112 THAT'S HOW I AM WITHOUT YOU
G-569-H; MO8W-4096 02:02 12/--/61
LITTLE OLE BOY - LITTLE OLE GIRL
(NG) G-568-H; MO8W-4097 02:43

SPINNERS, ELMORE MORRIS & (BMG)
LANDA 670 PARADISE HILL
LA-SP-1 02:13 03/13/61
SHE'S A WONDERFUL ONE
LA-SP-2 01:58
Roger Ford
2019-05-06 07:42:13 UTC
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Post by Roger Ford
Post by DianeE
2-Spinners (so now there were *3* groups with that name?)
3???
Think there were a few more than that
OK here's what I have----in chronological order..................
1. THE SPINNERS - Marvella - 1958
On the Rhythm label this was a California group
2. THE SPINNERS - Lover's Prayer - 1958
Smooth black doowop ballad on Capitol
3. THE SPINNERS - Richard Pry Private Eye - 1959
Black Coasters-ish number on End. Some say this is the same group as
(2) above
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Well, according to Disco-File the"Love's Prayer" and "Marvella" Spinners
are the same group, but not the "Richard Pry" Spinners.
That "Disco-File" is the Ferdy Gonsalez CD thingy that I don't
have,right?
Post by Roger Ford
I'm going to just paste the Disco-File "Spinners" material below,
excluding the well-known Detroit group. It doesn't list some of the
ones you listed, but it does include a 1958 release on Herald by
"Claudine (Clark) & the Spinners"! Note he uses "BMG" to mean black
male group, "WFG" white female group, etc.
Yes I'd forgotten about the Claudine Clark group

I found my Gribin & Schiff which has the "Lovers Prayer" and
"Marvella" and "Richard Pry" ensembles are the SAME group which can't
be right and also the "Little Otis" group as that same group too-which
DEFINITELY is not right since these guys are white

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DianeE
2019-05-06 11:31:00 UTC
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Post by DianeE
Well, according to Disco-File the"Love's Prayer" and "Marvella" Spinners
are the same group, but not the "Richard Pry" Spinners.
That "Disco-File" is the Ferdy Gonsalez CD thingy that I don't
have,right?
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Yes, Fernando Gonzalez in Florida. When he published his last edition
he offered it on a CD for $10, an irresistible price.

Roger Ford
2019-05-03 06:00:25 UTC
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Post by SavoyBG
Okay, the prelims are ready. Group 1 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers
http://youtu.be/vAQ3Uzgk83Y
If You Need Me - Fats Domino
http://youtu.be/eMUFE6FcYxg
Marvella - Spinners
http://youtu.be/8bqzYzlY-qQ
I Give My Heart To You - The Accents
http://youtu.be/AmPqWZ2JnV4
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1-Isleys
2-Spinners (so now there were *3* groups with that name?)
3-Fats Domino
4-Accents
See seperate post regarding The Spinners.

And don't even GO NEAR how many different "Accents" groups there
were :)

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DianeE
2019-05-03 11:38:57 UTC
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Post by Roger Ford
Post by SavoyBG
Okay, the prelims are ready. Group 1 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers
http://youtu.be/vAQ3Uzgk83Y
If You Need Me - Fats Domino
http://youtu.be/eMUFE6FcYxg
Marvella - Spinners
http://youtu.be/8bqzYzlY-qQ
I Give My Heart To You - The Accents
http://youtu.be/AmPqWZ2JnV4
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1-Isleys
2-Spinners (so now there were *3* groups with that name?)
3-Fats Domino
4-Accents
See seperate post regarding The Spinners.
And don't even GO NEAR how many different "Accents" groups there
were :)
-----------No, I'll just "Wiggle" out of that one.
OleManRiver
2019-05-03 12:56:13 UTC
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1. If You Need Me - Fats Domino
2. I Give My Heart To You - The Accents
3. The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers
4. Marvella - Spinners
Rick Schubert
2019-05-03 04:23:11 UTC
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Okay, the prelims are ready. Group 1 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
1. I Give My Heart To You - The Accents
2. The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers
3. Marvella - Spinners
4. If You Need Me - Fats Domino

Tough group to start off the month. All excellent.
Steve Mc
2019-05-03 14:14:44 UTC
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1. Marvella - Spinners

2. The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers

3. If You Need Me - Fats Domino

4. I Give My Heart To You - The Accents
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Bill B
2019-05-03 10:16:18 UTC
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Okay, the prelims are ready. Group 1 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
1 I Give My Heart To You - The Accents
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/AmPqWZ2JnV4
2 If You Need Me - Fats Domino
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/eMUFE6FcYxg
Reminds me of Lawdy Miss Clawdy.
3 Marvella - Spinners
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/8bqzYzlY-qQ
4 The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/vAQ3Uzgk83Y
I remember buying a 78 of this in John's Bargain Store (Cheap John's per my mother) for
I think 5c.
Dennis C
2019-05-03 12:44:22 UTC
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1- Accents- Probably an upset here. Even though the melodic structure has been nicked from "Earth Angel", the lead singer is a monster and the recording is clean as a whistle!!

2- Fats

3- Isley Brothers

4- Spinners

All these sings were clustered in pretty damn close!! Don't like to work thus hard on Saturday morning, baby!!
SavoyBG
2019-05-03 14:42:20 UTC
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1- Accents- Probably an upset here. Even though the melodic structure has been nicked from "Earth Angel", the lead singer is a monster and the recording is clean as a whistle!!
2- Fats
3- Isley Brothers
4- Spinners
All these sings were clustered in pretty damn close!! Don't like to work thus hard on Saturday morning, baby!!
Psssttt...........it's Friday.
Dennis C
2019-05-03 14:43:46 UTC
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Damn!!

Retirement means everyday is Saturday, baby!!
Roger Ford
2019-05-03 16:18:00 UTC
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Damn!!
Retirement means everyday is Saturday, baby!!
You said it Denny!

Ain't retirement grand?

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Dennis C
2019-05-03 16:34:04 UTC
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Grand indeed, Mr.Ford!!

I like being an American Idle, baby!!!
SavoyBG
2019-05-03 14:50:45 UTC
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FINAL RANKINGS:

1. If You Need Me - Fats Domino - 39
2. The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers - 29
3. I Give My Heart To You - The Accents - 27

4. 3. Marvella - Spinners - 25

The Spinners record is out and the Accents goes into the 3rd place pool. If we were using Bill's proposed change the Accents would be out with six 4th place rankings even though it also had 3 first place rankings and 3 second place rankings. The Spinners only had three 4th place rankings, but also had six 3rd place rankings.
Dennis C
2019-05-03 15:04:59 UTC
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So, we've worked all of the bugges out now?
SavoyBG
2019-05-03 15:13:12 UTC
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So, we've worked all of the bugges out now?
Careful, you'll end up on his "Shun" list!
Bill B
2019-05-03 15:28:10 UTC
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1. If You Need Me - Fats Domino - 39
2. The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers - 29
3. I Give My Heart To You - The Accents - 27
4. 3. Marvella - Spinners - 25
The Spinners record is out and the Accents goes into the 3rd place pool. If we were using Bill's proposed change the Accents would be out with six 4th place rankings even though it also had 3 first place rankings and 3 second place rankings. The Spinners only had three 4th place rankings, but also had six 3rd place rankings.
But we already know the Accents will not win the tournament. It will probably be ousted in the first round.
Bob Roman
2019-05-03 13:44:13 UTC
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1. Fats
2. Accents
3. Isleys
4. Spinners

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Jim Colegrove
2019-05-03 13:44:16 UTC
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1. If You Need Me - Fats Domino

2. The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers

3. Marvella - Spinners

4. I Give My Heart To You - The Accents
Mark Dintenfass
2019-05-03 14:31:02 UTC
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Okay, the prelims are ready. Group 1 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
If You Need Me - Fats Domino
Marvella - Spinners
The Cow Jumped Over The Moon - Isley Brothers
I Give My Heart To You - The Accents
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