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Obscure 1950s Recordings Tournament - April Preliminary Round - Group 10
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SavoyBG
2019-04-08 01:54:50 UTC
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Group 10 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.


Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds


Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys


All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts


The Dummy - Art Neville

SavoyBG
2019-04-08 01:58:29 UTC
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MY RANKINGS

Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys - 8
The Dummy - Art Neville - 7
Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds - 6
All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts - 5
Steve Mc
2019-04-08 02:28:21 UTC
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1 The Dummy - Art Neville
2 Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys
3 Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds
4 All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts
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Mark Dintenfass
2019-04-08 02:57:34 UTC
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Post by SavoyBG
Group 10 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
The Dummy - Art Neville
Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys
Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds
All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts
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Jim Colegrove
2019-04-08 03:31:34 UTC
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1 The Dummy - Art Neville

2 Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys

3 Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds

4 All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts
Rick Schubert
2019-04-08 04:50:29 UTC
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Post by SavoyBG
Group 10 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
1. Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys
2. All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts
3. Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds
4. The Dummy - Art Neville

All very good songs. Close between #2-#4.
Roger Ford
2019-04-08 05:07:27 UTC
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Post by SavoyBG
Group 10 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys - 8

Great performance on this flipside and a very serious omission from
the 1953 Battle

The Dummy - Art Neville - 7

Unreleased version from "Mr Zing Zing" that I like better than the
Larry Williams original

Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds - 7

Always liked this group since I discovered them via a beat up copy of
their Showboat single purchased for pennies on some London junk stall.
Again a flipside that got overlooked

All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts - 5

Much recorded song ( L W John,Jerry Wallace,Eddie Fontaine etc etc)
whose original is (I *think*) by Steve Lawrence on King in 1952.
Forgettable by The Hearts,this 1961 Vibrations version is much better
and is probably my favorite



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RWC
2019-04-08 05:10:32 UTC
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Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys
All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts
Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds

The Dummy - Art Neville

Doesn't have the sonic richness of the first three; very plain, very pedestrian.
If these songs were heard live, I reckon most people would end up placing 'The
Dummy' last.
Bill B
2019-04-08 10:16:10 UTC
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Post by SavoyBG
Group 10 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
I am so disappointed, it's hard to put into words. I know my tastes are outside the range of most here, but so far outside is shocking.

I consider "All My Love Belongs To You" as probably the greatest girl group record and rate it a nine. To see so many place it last is discouraging to say the least.

1 All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/B6CRNmzeU44
2 Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/gHx3TSrUdE4
3 The Dummy - Art Neville
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/NVeS7GSeteY
4 Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/FgUL6tfzwqE
DianeE
2019-04-08 11:02:58 UTC
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Post by Bill B
Post by SavoyBG
Group 10 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
I am so disappointed, it's hard to put into words. I know my tastes are outside the range of most here, but so far outside is shocking.
I consider "All My Love Belongs To You" as probably the greatest girl group record and rate it a nine. To see so many place it last is discouraging to say the least.
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If you'd been a blues fan like me since my early teens you'd be used to
it by now. ("HOW CAN YOU LISTEN TO THAT CRAP?") In the last round, you
were the only person to rank "Tico Tico" above last place. I had
thought you might like it because I know you like Latin music, but whoop
de do, you ranked it 3rd. I still love the record, it's on my walking
playlist, so nothing changes for me.
Bill B
2019-04-08 12:02:56 UTC
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Post by Roger Ford
Post by Bill B
Post by SavoyBG
Group 10 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
I am so disappointed, it's hard to put into words. I know my tastes are outside the range of most here, but so far outside is shocking.
I consider "All My Love Belongs To You" as probably the greatest girl group record and rate it a nine. To see so many place it last is discouraging to say the least.
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If you'd been a blues fan like me since my early teens you'd be used to
it by now. ("HOW CAN YOU LISTEN TO THAT CRAP?") In the last round, you
were the only person to rank "Tico Tico" above last place. I had
thought you might like it because I know you like Latin music, but whoop
de do, you ranked it 3rd. I still love the record, it's on my walking
playlist, so nothing changes for me.
I had deleted my whining post, but you gave it another life. C'est la vie.

I never was a fan of "Tico Tico" nor of Charlie Parker. This version is too manic and the drums go on too long.
SavoyBG
2019-04-08 13:47:45 UTC
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Post by Bill B
Post by Roger Ford
Post by Bill B
Post by SavoyBG
Group 10 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
I am so disappointed, it's hard to put into words. I know my tastes are outside the range of most here, but so far outside is shocking.
I consider "All My Love Belongs To You" as probably the greatest girl group record and rate it a nine. To see so many place it last is discouraging to say the least.
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If you'd been a blues fan like me since my early teens you'd be used to
it by now. ("HOW CAN YOU LISTEN TO THAT CRAP?") In the last round, you
were the only person to rank "Tico Tico" above last place. I had
thought you might like it because I know you like Latin music, but whoop
de do, you ranked it 3rd. I still love the record, it's on my walking
playlist, so nothing changes for me.
I had deleted my whining post, but you gave it another life.
I'd have to check what I have as the greatest girl group record. If we're just talking doo wop it's probably "The Plea" by the Chantels. If 60s stuff is included it's probably a Motown thing or one of the Ronettes things maybe. I think "Lonely Nights" is far better than "All My Love Belongs To You."
Ken Whiton
2019-04-09 09:16:00 UTC
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*-* On Mon, 8 Apr 2019, at 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT),
*-* In Article <ac43e63f-a4e3-4712-b663-***@googlegroups.com>,
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Post by Bill B
I had deleted my whining post,
All that did was remove it from *YOUR* view. It didn't delete it
from the Google Groups server or from all the Usenet servers it was
propagated to.

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Bill B
2019-04-09 09:58:25 UTC
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Post by Ken Whiton
*-* On Mon, 8 Apr 2019, at 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT),
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Post by Bill B
I had deleted my whining post,
All that did was remove it from *YOUR* view. It didn't delete it
from the Google Groups server or from all the Usenet servers it was
propagated to.
Thanks, Ken. Good to know.
SavoyBG
2019-04-09 15:13:21 UTC
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Post by Ken Whiton
*-* On Mon, 8 Apr 2019, at 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT),
*-* About Re: Obscure 1950s Recordings Tournament - April Preliminary
Round - Group 10
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Post by Bill B
I had deleted my whining post,
All that did was remove it from *YOUR* view. It didn't delete it
from the Google Groups server or from all the Usenet servers it was
propagated to.
It was deleted for me.
Dennis C
2019-04-09 15:26:41 UTC
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I didn't get to see it!!

Nobody gets Bugge-hurt like Billy and I'm a connoisseur of fine whines,baby!!

Put it back up!!
Bill B
2019-04-09 19:07:34 UTC
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Post by Dennis C
I didn't get to see it!!
Nobody gets Bugge-hurt like Billy and I'm a connoisseur of fine whines,baby!!
Put it back up!!
It's already back up in Diane's post after my votes in this round.
RWC
2019-04-08 18:41:04 UTC
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In the last round, you were the only person to rank "Tico Tico" above last place.
Not true.
SavoyBG
2019-04-08 18:47:10 UTC
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Post by RWC
In the last round, you were the only person to rank "Tico Tico" above last place.
Not true.
It was only last on 5 of the 12 ballots.
DianeE
2019-04-08 18:58:16 UTC
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Post by SavoyBG
Post by RWC
In the last round, you were the only person to rank "Tico Tico" above last place.
Not true.
It was only last on 5 of the 12 ballots.
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Those must have been the 5 I looked at.
RWC
2019-04-08 20:36:16 UTC
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Post by Bill B
I consider "All My Love Belongs To You" as probably the greatest girl group record and rate it a nine. To see so many place it last is discouraging to say the least.
1 All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/B6CRNmzeU44
The lead vocal is discordant with the low notes. And this is one of those
nominations which is not suited to quick sampling, not allowing a record to grow
on the listener.

The flip, "Talk About Him, Girlie", would likely have done better here:


Its *relatively* simple and repetitive nature means it would have directly
competed with "The Dummy" - with a fair chance of beating it.

btw, the instrumental backing on their early Baton records is notable.
The b-side of Lonely Nights, "Oo-Wee" has the instrumentation sharing the
limelight with the vocals:


BONUS - a guaranteed quarter-finalist, if it were not for a bias in this
electorate towards a 'deep black' dare I say 'harlem' sound, with soloists (eg
Lou Mac) or dominating leads, generally preferred over group doo-wop. Like the
Cardinals' "Miserlou", this Leach side could, unfortunately, pass as a 'white'
record.

Lillian Leach and The Mellows - You've Gone

Dennis C
2019-04-08 20:43:53 UTC
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Lillian Leach is a velvety songstress!!

I like it!!

I musr be endiwed with that "black woman who could pass for white" genome, baby!!!
Bill B
2019-04-08 10:44:43 UTC
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Post by SavoyBG
Group 10 is now open. Please rank these from best to worst.
1 All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/B6CRNmzeU44
2 Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/gHx3TSrUdE4
3 The Dummy - Art Neville
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/NVeS7GSeteY
4 Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds
Post by SavoyBG
http://youtu.be/FgUL6tfzwqE
DianeE
2019-04-08 11:25:02 UTC
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1-Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys
2-Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds
3-The Dummy - Art Neville (Great instrumentation, ruined for me
by--sorry, folks--REALLY STUPID LYRICS)
4-All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts (Whoever the lead singer is, I
really dislike her voice)
OleManRiver
2019-04-08 12:12:47 UTC
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1. The Dummy - Art Neville
2. All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts
3. Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys
4. Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds
Bob Roman
2019-04-08 12:31:20 UTC
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1. Art
2. Hearts
3. Keys
4. Bond

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Dennis C
2019-04-08 13:16:52 UTC
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1- Luther Bond

2- Hearts

3- 5 Keys

4- Neville the Dummy
SavoyBG
2019-04-08 13:51:02 UTC
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FINAL RANKINGS

1. Mama (Your Daughter Told A Lie On Me) - Five Keys - 38
2. The Dummy - Art Neville - 33
3. All My Love Belongs To You - Hearts - 25

4. Starlight Starbright - Luther Bond & His Emeralds - 24

Luther Bond is out, the other 3 advance.
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