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REVIEWS - Some of Samp's Records Are Not 'Rock and Roll'
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RWC
2021-01-29 04:36:15 UTC
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Nobody here is as long-winded as Sampson, or so often just dense.
(his website is "designed to tell the entire history of rock ‘n’ roll music
from its birth in 1947 to the present day, one song at a time.")

However, it's questionable whether some of his chosen records for
review are indeed rock and roll. I suggest that the records below, that
he reviewed, are samples of what is not Rock and Roll:

07 1949-07 RUTH BROWN: So Long 

This adult pop ballad could be sung in a posh nitery.
The song originated in 1940 with Russ Morgan.
https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/ruth-brown-so-long-atlantic-879/
"That the song is included here is due 100% to who’s singing it" !!!

02 1949-10 RUTH BROWN: I’ll Get Along Somehow (Part 1 & 2) 

More adult pop, sung with a bit more soul.
A cover version of Larry Darnell's semi-draggy ballad (which Sampson
goes into ecstasy over ***).
https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/ruth-brown-ill-get-along-somehow-atlantic-887/
"The supper club backing music..." !!!

- Larry Darnell's version
First cut way back in 1932 by Ted Black’s Orchestra.
Sampson had the nerve to include Darnell's record in his
'rock and roll' reviews and score it a 9 !!!
*** https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/larry-darnell-ill-get-along-somehow-regal-3236/
"Though a decidedly old school arrangement in terms of instrumentation..." -
nevertheless "a landmark recording in rock's lineage"

(A long bow perhaps, but after reading the above review, one wonders if Sampson
himself is a homosexual?)
DianeE
2021-01-29 11:39:46 UTC
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(A long bow perhaps, but after reading the above review, one wonders if Sampson
himself is a homosexual?)
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I have never for a nanosecond wondered about Sampson's sexuality. His
name and his location, yes, briefly. How he gets to know some of these
recordings that aren't on youtube, yes, definitely. Anything else about
him....no.
Sav...@aol.com
2021-01-29 13:43:43 UTC
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How he gets to know some of these recordings that aren't on youtube, yes, definitely.
In many of the reviews there's a scan of a CD cover that he has with that recording on it.
RWC
2021-01-29 20:21:10 UTC
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(A long bow perhaps, but after reading the above review, one wonders if Sampson
himself is a homosexual?)
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I have never for a nanosecond wondered about Sampson's sexuality.
Snap!

Until I read his review of Larry Darnell's adult pop record, following on
from considering Ruth Brown's cover.

By the way, the focus should be on the legitimacy of Samp's record
selections for review considering the intent of his web site.
Sav...@aol.com
2021-01-29 13:44:35 UTC
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(A long bow perhaps, but after reading the above review, one wonders if Sampson
himself is a homosexual?)
Takes one to know one.
RWC
2021-01-29 20:11:41 UTC
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(A long bow perhaps, but after reading the above review, one wonders if Sampson
himself is a homosexual?)
Takes one to know one.
Have you read the review of Larry Darnell's record?
As Sampson makes more than clear, Larry Darnell was a homosexual
(not a crime, of course, just in case you're getting the wrong idea).

This was a just a passing remark of mine, you were meant to focus on the
opinion that not all of Sampson's chosen records are 'rock and roll'. And to
give Darnell's debut record "I’ll Get Along Somehow" a score of 9 is rediculous.

And Sampson admits, in a review, that he chose a Ruth Brown record
merely because of her name and future reputation.
Sav...@aol.com
2021-01-29 20:19:00 UTC
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(A long bow perhaps, but after reading the above review, one wonders if Sampson
himself is a homosexual?)
Takes one to know one.
Have you read the review of Larry Darnell's record?
As Sampson makes more than clear, Larry Darnell was a homosexual
(not a crime, of course, just in case you're getting the wrong idea).
This was a just a passing remark of mine, you were meant to focus on the
opinion that not all of Sampson's chosen records are 'rock and roll'. And to
give Darnell's debut record "I’ll Get Along Somehow" a score of 9 is rediculous.
And Sampson admits, in a review, that he chose a Ruth Brown record
merely because of her name and future reputation.
So.

I guess he subscribes to the Bugge theory that if an artist is rock and roll that everything they do is rock and roll.

I don't think that giving "I'll Get Along Somehow" a 9 is even a little bit ridiculous. It's a highly influential record and was a monster sized hit. It's a 7 for me and is #67 on my list of favorites from 1949.
RWC
2021-01-29 21:35:37 UTC
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I guess he subscribes to the Bugge theory that if an artist is rock and roll that everything they do is rock and roll.
Not quite. Sampson more or less admits that a Ruth Brown record he
reviewed is not 'rock and roll', and, not even an influence.
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I don't think that giving "I'll Get Along Somehow" a 9 is even a little bit ridiculous.
For me it is, as a 'rock and roll' score, it's misleading.
If a newbie fan of ancient rock went to Sampson's Main Index page
and picked out all songs scoring 8, 9, 10 to listen to, they would be
somewhat surprised, I think, to find Darnell's pop ballad included.
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It's a highly influential record
The one and only possible influence is the spoken part of the song
(in part 2, on the flip side). And was this really unique up to that time (1949)?
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and was a monster sized hit.
It's a 7 for me and is #67 on my list of favorites from 1949.
I'm not intrepreting this as a 'rock' score, but as a 'general likeability'
score, so to speak - which cannot be compared to Samp's presumed
(or at least should be) rock performance/influence score.

Anyway, we can still enjoy and learn from Sampson's reviews, while
keeping an open mind. I for one, much appreciate you bringing Sampson's
reviews to our attention, Bruce.
Sav...@aol.com
2021-01-29 21:38:20 UTC
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If a newbie fan of ancient rock went to Sampson's Main Index page
and picked out all songs scoring 8, 9, 10 to listen to, they would be
somewhat surprised, I think, to find Darnell's pop ballad included.
They'd be surprised at lots of them. Including "It's Too Soon To Know" by the Orioles.
RWC
2021-01-29 20:39:19 UTC
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(A long bow perhaps, but after reading the above review, one wonders if Sampson
himself is a homosexual?)
Takes one to know one.
Really? Just recall, Bruce, a few individuals *you* have come across over the years
(on TV alone) that talk (and act?) in an obvious 'gay' manner :-)
DianeE
2021-01-30 16:24:45 UTC
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(A long bow perhaps, but after reading the above review, one wonders if Sampson
himself is a homosexual?)
Takes one to know one.
Really? Just recall, Bruce, a few individuals *you* have come across over the years
(on TV alone) that talk (and act?) in an obvious 'gay' manner :-)
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For every Little Richard there were numerous Rock Hudsons, especially
during the 1950s.
Sav...@aol.com
2021-01-30 17:00:32 UTC
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(A long bow perhaps, but after reading the above review, one wonders if Sampson
himself is a homosexual?)
Takes one to know one.
Really? Just recall, Bruce, a few individuals *you* have come across over the years
(on TV alone) that talk (and act?) in an obvious 'gay' manner :-)
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For every Little Richard there were numerous Rock Hudsons, especially
during the 1950s.
A gay guy once told me that the only thing that all gay guys have in common is that they like cock rather than pussy.
DianeE
2021-01-30 19:47:21 UTC
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(A long bow perhaps, but after reading the above review, one wonders if Sampson
himself is a homosexual?)
Takes one to know one.
Really? Just recall, Bruce, a few individuals *you* have come across over the years
(on TV alone) that talk (and act?) in an obvious 'gay' manner :-)
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For every Little Richard there were numerous Rock Hudsons, especially
during the 1950s.
A gay guy once told me that the only thing that all gay guys have in common is that they like cock rather than pussy.
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Well said.
RWC
2021-01-30 20:29:50 UTC
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A gay guy once told me that the only thing that all gay guys have in common is that they like cock rather than pussy.
Apparently, "99.9% of gay men love to suck dick"
https://gawker.com/5873476/the-secrets-gay-men-dont-want-straight-people-to-know
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