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Bill B
2020-07-26 22:13:01 UTC
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I ask because some of the Obscurities votes are surprising based on my assumptions.

Mine:

Genre 50s Rock & Roll

Sub Genre Doo-Wop

No surprises there. Others, including those who don't partake in the contests?

Expound if you like.
DianeE
2020-07-26 23:11:52 UTC
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Post by Bill B
I ask because some of the Obscurities votes are surprising based on my assumptions.
Genre 50s Rock & Roll
Sub Genre Doo-Wop
No surprises there. Others, including those who don't partake in the contests?
Expound if you like.
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Well, those are your *favorites*, but you also have a fondness for
calypso or soca or whatever you call it. My favorite genre is R&B,
sub-genres (a) blues and (b) vocal group harmony. But there's plenty of
music I like outside of those categories.
My tastes have changed a lot over the years, too. For example I used to
detest big band music a/k/a my parents' music but now I've come to
appreciate a lot more of it. (At least the instrumental side of it,
anyhow. Still can't stand the vocalists.)
Mark Dintenfass
2020-07-27 13:32:55 UTC
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Post by Bill B
I ask because some of the Obscurities votes are surprising based on my assumptions.
Genre 50s Rock & Roll
Sub Genre Doo-Wop
No surprises there. Others, including those who don't partake in the contests?
Expound if you like.
I'm wondering if there is a distinction between what you call Rock &
Roll/Doo Wop and what Diane calls r&b/vocal group harmony. And, yes, I
know we tried to hash out these genre questions a dozen times before.
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Bill B
2020-07-27 14:05:08 UTC
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In article <>,
Post by Bill B
I ask because some of the Obscurities votes are surprising based on my assumptions.
Genre 50s Rock & Roll
Sub Genre Doo-Wop
No surprises there. Others, including those who don't partake in the contests?
Expound if you like.
I'm wondering if there is a distinction between what you call Rock &
Roll/Doo Wop and what Diane calls r&b/vocal group harmony. And, yes, I
know we tried to hash out these genre questions a dozen times before.
What I call Rock & Roll includes R&B, but it also includes basic Rock such as Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis etc. Doo-Wop is just another name for vocal group harmony. It appears Diane has not included white Rock & Roll in her likes.

I don't consider Blues to be R&B or Rock & Roll, but it's own genre. But I'm surprised to see Diane list it above vocal group harmony.

I also like several genres, including Classic Country and even Pop among others.
DianeE
2020-07-27 15:50:38 UTC
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Post by Bill B
What I call Rock & Roll includes R&B, but it also includes basic Rock such as Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis etc. Doo-Wop is just another name for vocal group harmony. It appears Diane has not included white Rock & Roll in her likes.
I don't consider Blues to be R&B or Rock & Roll, but it's own genre. But I'm surprised to see Diane list it above vocal group harmony.
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In the 1940s and 50s many blues records (Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf,
etc.) made the R&B charts and thus were included under R&B. Obviously
the music that is classified as R&B today does not include blues at all.

I've loved blues since around the age of 15 (1963) when I first started
to hear it from friends of mine who owned blues albums. It never got
played on the radio in NYC. If you see my votes in these contests, I
often--though not always--put blues records above group harmony records.

As for "white Rock & Roll," no, I don't think most of it has held up
very well. JLL and Carl Perkins are notable exceptions. I've never
been an Elvis fan, and really, not that much of his recorded work is
actual Rock & Roll. A few weeks ago Bruce was playing his 1958 playlist
when I was there, and there was so much rockabilly on it that I asked
him to switch to another playlist. I like some of it, but *as a genre* no.
RWC
2020-07-27 17:50:03 UTC
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Post by DianeE
I've loved blues since around the age of 15 (1963)
Same here, I'm talking classical, circa 1930s, 40s, 'solo' blues.
Post by DianeE
It never got played on the radio in NYC.
By the time I was 15, there was a weekly radio show I could pick up,
mid evening iirc, dedicated to playing and commenting on this
sub-genre. I listened to this blues show religiously, on my (donated
by an Aunt) rich-toned 5-valve, 10 or 12" speaker console.

(and the tone of the valve amplifier was 'made' for Elvis Presley
records, even when using a modest ceramic cartridge)


Geoff
DianeE
2020-07-27 20:26:32 UTC
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Post by RWC
Post by DianeE
I've loved blues since around the age of 15 (1963)
Same here, I'm talking classical, circa 1930s, 40s, 'solo' blues.
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The first blues artists I heard were the "rediscovered" group, e.g.
Mississippi John Hurt, Pink Anderson, Gus Cannon, Skip James, Son House,
Sleepy John Estes. They harked back to the era you mention. I still
listen to music from the 1920s and 30s that is way outside the scope of
this group.
SavoyBG
2020-07-27 16:35:08 UTC
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Post by Bill B
In article <>,
Post by Bill B
I ask because some of the Obscurities votes are surprising based on my assumptions.
Genre 50s Rock & Roll
Sub Genre Doo-Wop
No surprises there. Others, including those who don't partake in the contests?
Expound if you like.
I'm wondering if there is a distinction between what you call Rock &
Roll/Doo Wop and what Diane calls r&b/vocal group harmony. And, yes, I
know we tried to hash out these genre questions a dozen times before.
What I call Rock & Roll includes R&B, but it also includes basic Rock such as Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis etc. Doo-Wop is just another name for vocal group harmony. It appears Diane has not included white Rock & Roll in her likes.
I don't consider Blues to be R&B or Rock & Roll, but it's own genre. But I'm surprised to see Diane list it above vocal group harmony.
Where have you been for the last 20+ years here. Many times Diane has stated that blues is her favorite genre.
RWC
2020-07-27 16:43:37 UTC
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Post by Bill B
I ask because some of the Obscurities votes are surprising based on my assumptions
Do you care to expand on this intriguing statement, Bill - you left us
hanging it seems :)
Post by Bill B
Doo-Wop is just another name for vocal group harmony.
It is, but...
Post by Bill B
It appears Diane has not included white Rock & Roll in her likes.
one or more people here might denigrate *white* doo-wop.

Bruce in particular, in the past, has disparaged white doo wop in
general, in contrast to, say, Roger.
Post by Bill B
I don't consider Blues to be R&B or Rock & Roll, but it's own genre.
I'm assuming Blues is above R&B and Rock and Roll on the genre
evolution tree.
Post by Bill B
I also like several genres, including Classic Country and even Pop among others.
One has perceived that you, Bill, like anything of mass appeal from
the '50s that is not 'garage like' (not smooth enough?), e.g. some (or
most?) rockabilly. Along these lines I imagined Bill to also not like
*some* R&B solo performances, such as the decidedly rough-timbered
Tiny Topsy. In fact, you should also dislike The Olympics - if you
enjoy this group's sound and not late 50s 'garage' Rockabilly, why?


Geoff
Bill B
2020-07-27 17:33:38 UTC
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Post by RWC
Along these lines I imagined Bill to also not like
*some* R&B solo performances, such as the decidedly rough-timbered
Tiny Topsy. In fact, you should also dislike The Olympics - if you
enjoy this group's sound and not late 50s 'garage' Rockabilly, why?
Love the Olympics! Their greatest is the last CD I bought and it gets more play time than any others.

As to specifics, all I can say is there are records in genres I like that don't move me and records in genres I generally don't favor that I do like.
RWC
2020-08-01 04:45:03 UTC
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Post by Bill B
Love the Olympics! Their greatest is the last CD I bought and it gets more play time than any others.
Do you have to hand all tracks from the Mirwood album "Something Old,
Something New" from 1966? (the Olympics re-recorded their well known
songs for this label).

As a playful test of your love of, and presumed expertise on, the
Olympics, Nordic Bill, what is the outstanding aural difference
between the 1960 Arvee and 1966 Mirwood versions of "Dance By The
Light Of The Moon" (clue: the predominance of a certain musical
instrument :-)
Post by Bill B
As to specifics, all I can say is there are records in genres I like that don't move me and records in genres I generally don't favor that I do like.
Thanks for answering, but this tells me/us very little. You give no
clue at all as to why you dislike 'garage' rockabilly music (btw, it's
not a crime to have this dislike :-)

Enjoy!

Ken Whiton
2020-07-28 02:10:11 UTC
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*-* On Sun, 26 Jul 2020, at 15:13:01 -0700 (PDT),
*-* In Article <f9b84b8b-ccb3-412d-a305-***@googlegroups.com>,
*-* Bill B wrote
*-* About Favorite Genre and Sub Genre
Post by Bill B
I ask because some of the Obscurities votes are surprising based on my assumptions.
Genre 50s Rock & Roll
Mine too.
Post by Bill B
Sub Genre Doo-Wop
Rockabilly.
Post by Bill B
No surprises there. Others, including those who don't partake in the contests?
Expound if you like.
I find that regardless of the genre I tend to prefer up-tempo
material over slower material. Of course, like most rules, there are
exceptions.

Ken Whiton
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Dean F.
2020-07-28 02:32:05 UTC
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Genre - Soul
Sub Genre - Motown
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