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REVIEW - Fats Domino: "Brand New Baby" - IMPERIAL 5085; JULY 1950
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DianeE
2021-03-16 15:09:16 UTC
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SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT 4/10
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2021-03-16 16:13:03 UTC
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SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT 4/10
Too low, of course. The guy seems to deduct points just because of a slo
tempo. And the song has nothing to do with "Oh, Babe." It's Fats doin
old-style blues, and doing it quite well. Of course.


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2021-03-16 17:06:06 UTC
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SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT 4/10
Too low, of course. The guy seems to deduct points just because of a slow
tempo. And the song has nothing to do with "Oh, Babe." It's Fats doing
old-style blues, and doing it quite well. Of course.
Nobody said the song had anything to do with "Oh Babe"

I mentioned it lost in the 1950 Battle to another version of a song
the topside had just beaten and Bruce correctly named "Oh Babe" as the
song


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2021-03-16 17:11:57 UTC
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SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT 4/10
Too low, of course. The guy seems to deduct points just because of a slow
tempo. And the song has nothing to do with "Oh, Babe." It's Fats doing
old-style blues, and doing it quite well. Of course.
Nobody said the song had anything to do with "Oh Babe"
I mentioned it lost in the 1950 Battle to another version of a song
the topside had just beaten and Bruce correctly named "Oh Babe" as the
song
I guess my reading comprehension score is going down as I age.
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2021-03-16 17:34:06 UTC
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SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT 4/10
Too low, of course. The guy seems to deduct points just because of a slow
tempo.
That's not true. He's given tens to things with much slower tempos, like "It's Too Soon To Know" by the Orioles.

Excerpt from the review:

In this case however what’s out of balance is found in the arrangement and trying to make sure each instrument fits in without being overexposed. Since this is something the people making this record usually have no trouble nailing their slip-ups here become all the more noticeable in retrospect.

Bartholomew was often restlessly ambitious and as is often the case the more you try and make your mark in innovative ways, the more likely you are to stumble on the way there.

Maybe the best way to put it is this: Sometimes Bartholomew’s reach exceeded his grasp, an admirable failing, but a failing nonetheless. In time his instincts would become razor sharp and he’d rarely misjudge the formula required to execute his plans, but at the moment though, just beginning his career as a producer, he was still trying to work through all of the ideas in his head and find a way to bring them to fruition.

It didn’t always work… such as with Brand New Baby, a decent song with a few too many parts that never fully mesh.

It’s hardly surprising that this was a cut from taken from Fats Domino’s first session… nor is it surprising it was the last to be issued from those songs… because this was a case where they seemed intent on filling a need, in this case a ballad, without quite knowing the best way to do so while still taking advantage of Fats’s natural gifts.

Brand New Baby reveals its conflicts early on as Fats starts with a slow glissando which creates a much more delicate vibe than we’re used to with him, not to mention maybe setting a more uncertain path for the musicians to follow. You’ll give them all the benefit of the doubt as they’re trying for a more reflective mood and as this is the first romantic ballad he’s tackled maybe it’ll take a few seconds for them to find their footing.

But as it goes on the problems become more apparent as each of the instruments is left far too exposed in the arrangement, almost as if Bartholomew knew he couldn’t throw too many things into the mix with a less rambunctious song and so rather than keep it dense but merely ease back on the forcefulness with which it’s played, he stripped away entire parts instead. Unfortunately what’s missing are the very things that are needed to fill out the sound.

The instrument most affected here is Ernest McLean’s guitar which sounds positively naked with nothing else buttressing it. With Fats just playing plaintive triplets with no effort to beef up the rhythm with either his left hand or the bass and drums the structure is already breaking down, resulting in a halting, tentative feel as if they didn’t quite know what they should be doing.

The horns is where we’d expect them to make up the difference, but they too are given parts that are far too sparse to be effective, droning rather than riffing, and the guitar is therefore left to add all of the melodic touches. They’re well-played at times but sound almost as if they’ve been imported from another record – some being dashed off much too fast for the song, others ponderously slow – and as a result you never once settle into a groove.

Whether it was the barren track that threw him or if he was just a little self-conscious singing something taken at a more deliberate pace, Domino is almost as unsure of himself as the rest of the band here, which is a shame because the song as written isn’t half bad.

The concept behind Brand New Baby is hardly original, as Fats is enamored with his new girlfriend and still at that stage in a relationship where every trait is endearing and he views each thing she does as a sign of her devotion.

There’s a few good lines sprinkled in too, particularly in the latter half when he crows about how “She don’t (go for) fancy dancin’ and she don’t care about movie shows”, and if he misses the two words in parenthesis to make it more grammatically clear, at least the inference isn’t lost in the process and he sounds so endearing conveying these sentiments that you’re willing to forgive some of the uncertainty in his delivery.

But the problem is by taking it so slow it puts more weight on the lyrics than they’re able to withstand. They aren’t very deep, it’s just modest praise delivered in a disarming manner and when he’s got to repeat the first lines of each stanza due to the structure of the song you find yourself urging him to hurry up to get to the resolution in the hopes something unexpected might happen to justify the time spent with this shy twosome we’re hearing about at length.

Since it’s obvious they’ll be doing nothing more than perhaps sharing a milkshake together we’re going to have to get some kind of captivating instrumental break to win us over, but instead we get perhaps the most ill-conceived one ever found on one of his records with McLean’s guitar sounding more like a banjo or ukulele being strummed twenty paces from the microphone while Fats twiddles the keys absentmindedly.

Today, with Domino’s persona burned deeply into the collective psyche of rock fans, we might find this genial modesty he displays a bit more appealing since it shows him in a different light than we became accustomed to, but honestly when taken at face value for the time this was released it might struggle to even earn the score we’re giving it.
DianeE
2021-03-16 21:36:42 UTC
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SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT 4/10
Too low, of course. The guy seems to deduct points just because of a slow
tempo.
That's not true. He's given tens to things with much slower tempos, like "It's Too Soon To Know" by the Orioles.
In this case however what’s out of balance is found in the arrangement and trying to make sure each instrument fits in without being overexposed. Since this is something the people making this record usually have no trouble nailing their slip-ups here become all the more noticeable in retrospect.
Bartholomew was often restlessly ambitious and as is often the case the more you try and make your mark in innovative ways, the more likely you are to stumble on the way there.
Maybe the best way to put it is this: Sometimes Bartholomew’s reach exceeded his grasp, an admirable failing, but a failing nonetheless. In time his instincts would become razor sharp and he’d rarely misjudge the formula required to execute his plans, but at the moment though, just beginning his career as a producer, he was still trying to work through all of the ideas in his head and find a way to bring them to fruition.
It didn’t always work… such as with Brand New Baby, a decent song with a few too many parts that never fully mesh.
It’s hardly surprising that this was a cut from taken from Fats Domino’s first session… nor is it surprising it was the last to be issued from those songs… because this was a case where they seemed intent on filling a need, in this case a ballad, without quite knowing the best way to do so while still taking advantage of Fats’s natural gifts.
Brand New Baby reveals its conflicts early on as Fats starts with a slow glissando which creates a much more delicate vibe than we’re used to with him, not to mention maybe setting a more uncertain path for the musicians to follow. You’ll give them all the benefit of the doubt as they’re trying for a more reflective mood and as this is the first romantic ballad he’s tackled maybe it’ll take a few seconds for them to find their footing.
But as it goes on the problems become more apparent as each of the instruments is left far too exposed in the arrangement, almost as if Bartholomew knew he couldn’t throw too many things into the mix with a less rambunctious song and so rather than keep it dense but merely ease back on the forcefulness with which it’s played, he stripped away entire parts instead. Unfortunately what’s missing are the very things that are needed to fill out the sound.
The instrument most affected here is Ernest McLean’s guitar which sounds positively naked with nothing else buttressing it. With Fats just playing plaintive triplets with no effort to beef up the rhythm with either his left hand or the bass and drums the structure is already breaking down, resulting in a halting, tentative feel as if they didn’t quite know what they should be doing.
The horns is where we’d expect them to make up the difference, but they too are given parts that are far too sparse to be effective, droning rather than riffing, and the guitar is therefore left to add all of the melodic touches. They’re well-played at times but sound almost as if they’ve been imported from another record – some being dashed off much too fast for the song, others ponderously slow – and as a result you never once settle into a groove.
Whether it was the barren track that threw him or if he was just a little self-conscious singing something taken at a more deliberate pace, Domino is almost as unsure of himself as the rest of the band here, which is a shame because the song as written isn’t half bad.
The concept behind Brand New Baby is hardly original, as Fats is enamored with his new girlfriend and still at that stage in a relationship where every trait is endearing and he views each thing she does as a sign of her devotion.
There’s a few good lines sprinkled in too, particularly in the latter half when he crows about how “She don’t (go for) fancy dancin’ and she don’t care about movie shows”, and if he misses the two words in parenthesis to make it more grammatically clear, at least the inference isn’t lost in the process and he sounds so endearing conveying these sentiments that you’re willing to forgive some of the uncertainty in his delivery.
But the problem is by taking it so slow it puts more weight on the lyrics than they’re able to withstand. They aren’t very deep, it’s just modest praise delivered in a disarming manner and when he’s got to repeat the first lines of each stanza due to the structure of the song you find yourself urging him to hurry up to get to the resolution in the hopes something unexpected might happen to justify the time spent with this shy twosome we’re hearing about at length.
Since it’s obvious they’ll be doing nothing more than perhaps sharing a milkshake together we’re going to have to get some kind of captivating instrumental break to win us over, but instead we get perhaps the most ill-conceived one ever found on one of his records with McLean’s guitar sounding more like a banjo or ukulele being strummed twenty paces from the microphone while Fats twiddles the keys absentmindedly.
Today, with Domino’s persona burned deeply into the collective psyche of rock fans, we might find this genial modesty he displays a bit more appealing since it shows him in a different light than we became accustomed to, but honestly when taken at face value for the time this was released it might struggle to even earn the score we’re giving it.
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Jesus Christ, that Icelandic saga is only an *excerpt*???? I'll learn
more reading the label on a box of crackers. I think Roger would call
this TWADDLE. I certainly would. Twaddle! Twaddle! Twaddle!
DianeE
2021-03-16 21:43:53 UTC
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I have no idea why Sampson claims the guitar sounds like a "banjo or
ukulele." It sounds exactly like a guitar to me. I agree that the
guitarist doesn't seem to be in synch with the rest of the musicians.
He just goes off on his own little tangent. Kind of like Jimi Hendrix
before he got canned by the Isley Brothers. The record would be a 6 for
me but the annoying guitar work knocks it down to 5.
Sav...@aol.com
2021-03-16 21:46:44 UTC
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I have no idea why Sampson claims the guitar sounds like a "banjo or
ukulele." It sounds exactly like a guitar to me. I agree that the
guitarist doesn't seem to be in synch with the rest of the musicians.
He just goes off on his own little tangent. Kind of like Jimi Hendrix
before he got canned by the Isley Brothers. The record would be a 6 for
me but the annoying guitar work knocks it down to 5.
So both you and Sampson have this side 3 notches below the top side of the record. You're at 8-5 and he's at 7-4. Not much difference at all.
Dean F.
2021-03-17 01:14:15 UTC
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Jesus Christ, that Icelandic saga is only an *excerpt*???? I'll learn
more reading the label on a box of crackers. I think Roger would call
this TWADDLE. I certainly would. Twaddle! Twaddle! Twaddle!
When I wrote film reviews for my campus newspaper, I learned to make a point in as few words as possible. I'm guessing Sampson never had such an experience.
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2021-03-17 01:53:07 UTC
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Jesus Christ, that Icelandic saga is only an *excerpt*???? I'll learn
more reading the label on a box of crackers. I think Roger would call
this TWADDLE. I certainly would. Twaddle! Twaddle! Twaddle!
When I wrote film reviews for my campus newspaper, I learned to make a point in as few words as possible. I'm guessing Sampson never had such an experience.
In a newspaper your space is limited. Sampson doesn't have that situation.
Dean F.
2021-03-17 02:13:21 UTC
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In a newspaper your space is limited. Sampson doesn't have that situation.
Answering to an editor gave me self-discipline. It's a pity Sampson has no one acting as his bullshit detector.
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2021-03-17 02:26:16 UTC
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In a newspaper your space is limited. Sampson doesn't have that situation.
Answering to an editor gave me self-discipline. It's a pity Sampson has no one acting as his bullshit detector.
I sent him an email today pointing out a grammatical error and suggesting that he sends me each review first to be proofread.
Dennis C from Tennessee
2021-03-17 13:35:10 UTC
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In a newspaper your space is limited. Sampson doesn't have that situation.
Answering to an editor gave me self-discipline. It's a pity Sampson has no one acting as his bullshit detector.
I sent him an email today pointing out a grammatical error and suggesting that he sends me each review first to be proofread.
I'm sure he'll answer back "fack, you!
Roger Ford
2021-03-16 17:02:41 UTC
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In the 1950 Battle Fats fell at the first hurdle with this side of his
single

ROUND ONE
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14 Louis Prima & Keely Smith - Oh Babe - Robin Hood 101
6 Fats Domino - Brand New Baby - Imperial 5085
Prima does real well to triumph over Fats here
WINNER : PRIMA
By coincidence the "Hey! Las Bas Boogie" topside beat the Wynonie
Harris/Lucky Millinder version of "Oh Babe" in Round One

BTW I was one of those 6 who backed Fats here
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SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT 4/10
Not Fats' finest hour I agree but I have it as a 6



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Dean F.
2021-03-21 07:30:19 UTC
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SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT 4/10
If I decided to review every film comedy ever made and the lion's share of my verdicts were a 5 or lower, I'd eventually abandon the project.
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2021-03-21 13:11:56 UTC
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SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT 4/10
If I decided to review every film comedy ever made and the lion's share of my verdicts were a 5 or lower, I'd eventually abandon the project.
How is that relevant to this?

5 and under are not the "lion's share" here.

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