Crazy Man, Crazy

[unknown]

Crazy Man Crazy: The Billy Haley Story is the title of Bill
Haley Jr. and Peter Benjamin's new book.

Haven't read it but, I don't imagine there is anything that hasn't
already been written.. He was born in 1960 so by the time he realized
who dad was Haley Sr.'s career was well over.

It seems he has his own band complete with His Comets. On his web site
he opines that "dad" doesn't get enough recognition. Thinks dad should
be right up there was Berry and Presley.

I read the reviews where one guy so after reading it that Philadelphia
is where rock and roll was really born. Another that Haley Sr. was
really the king of rock and roll.

IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

[Mark Dintenfass]

Post by unknown
Crazy Man Crazy: The Billy Haley Story is the title of Bill
Haley Jr. and Peter Benjamin's new book.
Haven't read it but, I don't imagine there is anything that hasn't
already been written.. He was born in 1960 so by the time he realized
who dad was Haley Sr.'s career was well over.
It seems he has his own band complete with His Comets. On his web site
he opines that "dad" doesn't get enough recognition. Thinks dad should
be right up there was Berry and Presley.
I read the reviews where one guy so after reading it that Philadelphia
is where rock and roll was really born. Another that Haley Sr. was
really the king of rock and roll.
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

Six good songs isn't bad, but I agree with you that he's not up there
with Elvis or Chuck. Still, my intro to r'n'r was hearing "Crazy Man
Crazy" in early 1953, loving it, and wondering why the other stuff on
the radio never sounded anything like it. It primed me for the lifelong
obsession with r'n'r that I acquired eighteen months later. Besides,
it's sort of nice when a son idolizes a father, so I'll cut him some
slack for puffing up the bio a bit.

[SavoyBG]

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.

My favorites by Haley and His bands.

BILL HALEY & THE COMETS / SADDLEMEN
1. Shake, Rattle And Roll
2. Rock The Joint
3. Rock Around The Clock
4. See You Later Alligator
5. R-O-C-K
6. Tonight's The Night
7. Dim Dim The Lights
8. The Saints Rock 'N Roll
9. Skinny Minnie
10. Dance With A Dolly
11. Burn That Candle
12. Choo Choo Ch'Boogie
13. Hide And Seek
14. Sundown Boogie
15. Crazy, Man, Crazy
16. Green Tree Boogie
17. What'cha Gonna Do
18. Rock-A-Beatin' Boogie
19. Hey Then, There Now
20. Birth of The Boogie
21. Hot Dog Buddy Buddy
22. Real Rock Drive
23. Farewell, So Long, Goodbye
24. Mambo Rock
25. Fractured
26. Rip It Up
27. Calling All Comets
28. Razzle-Dazzle
29. Hook, Line And Sinker
30. Rockin' Through The Rye
31. Rudy's Rock
32. Live It Up
33. Don't Knock The Rock
34. Teardrops From My Eyes
35. Thirteen Women
36. Happy Baby
37. Yes Indeed!
38. Rockin' Chair On The Moon
39. Forty Cups of Coffee
40. Two Hound Dogs

[Mark Dintenfass]

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.

Bah, I know almost all of these. (Oh, you weren't addressing me, were
you?) Anyway you've got "Burn That Candle" too low and "R-O-C-K" too
high, and not putting "Rock Around The Clock" the head of the list is
just perverse. "Shake, Rattle and Roll" is a pale, bowdlerized cover of
the truly great Joe Turner record. And in my book, no hopped-up version
of "When Saints Go Marching In" is really good, not even Fats Domino's.
Things like "Thirteen Women" and "Forty Cups of Coffee" are so-so,
listenable maybe, but certainly not what I would call "good."

Post by SavoyBG
My favorites by Haley and His bands.
BILL HALEY & THE COMETS / SADDLEMEN
1. Shake, Rattle And Roll
2. Rock The Joint
3. Rock Around The Clock
4. See You Later Alligator
5. R-O-C-K
6. Tonight's The Night
7. Dim Dim The Lights
8. The Saints Rock 'N Roll
9. Skinny Minnie
10. Dance With A Dolly
11. Burn That Candle
12. Choo Choo Ch'Boogie
13. Hide And Seek
14. Sundown Boogie
15. Crazy, Man, Crazy
16. Green Tree Boogie
17. What'cha Gonna Do
18. Rock-A-Beatin' Boogie
19. Hey Then, There Now
20. Birth of The Boogie
21. Hot Dog Buddy Buddy
22. Real Rock Drive
23. Farewell, So Long, Goodbye
24. Mambo Rock
25. Fractured
26. Rip It Up
27. Calling All Comets
28. Razzle-Dazzle
29. Hook, Line And Sinker
30. Rockin' Through The Rye
31. Rudy's Rock
32. Live It Up
33. Don't Knock The Rock
34. Teardrops From My Eyes
35. Thirteen Women
36. Happy Baby
37. Yes Indeed!
38. Rockin' Chair On The Moon
39. Forty Cups of Coffee
40. Two Hound Dogs

[SavoyBG]

Post by Mark Dintenfass

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.

Bah, I know almost all of these. (Oh, you weren't addressing me, were
you?) Anyway you've got "Burn That Candle" too low and "R-O-C-K" too
high, and not putting "Rock Around The Clock" the head of the list is
just perverse. "Shake, Rattle and Roll" is a pale, bowdlerized cover of
the truly great Joe Turner record. And in my book, no hopped-up version
of "When Saints Go Marching In" is really good, not even Fats Domino's.
Things like "Thirteen Women" and "Forty Cups of Coffee" are so-so,
listenable maybe, but certainly not what I would call "good."

There's more than 6 good songs BEFORE he even gets to Decca. And the Joe Turner is my favorite record of all time, but the Haley is great too. Maybe my favorite bass line ever in any record. The fact that the words are different on much of the Haley version means nothing to me.

[SavoyBG]

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.

Anyway you've got "Burn That Candle" too low and "R-O-C-K" too high.

I would think that in your world the fact that "Burn That Candle" is a cover and "R-O-C-K" is an original would mean something.

[Roger Ford]

On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 19:15:28 -0500, Mark Dintenfass

Post by Mark Dintenfass

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.

Bah, I know almost all of these. (Oh, you weren't addressing me, were
you?) Anyway you've got "Burn That Candle" too low and "R-O-C-K" too
high, and not putting "Rock Around The Clock" the head of the list is
just perverse. "Shake, Rattle and Roll" is a pale, bowdlerized cover of
the truly great Joe Turner record. And in my book, no hopped-up version
of "When Saints Go Marching In" is really good, not even Fats Domino's.
Things like "Thirteen Women" and "Forty Cups of Coffee" are so-so,
listenable maybe, but certainly not what I would call "good."

I can't agree with this at all.

For starters Haley's "Shake Rattle And Roll" is one of the very
GREATEST cover records of all time rating an easy 10 in my book
as well as being one of the best ever r&r records to jive to (you
don't dance I imagine? If you did I can't see how you would hold such
a low opinion of it?) .

(Incidentally Haley's version was the VERY FIRST rock 'n' roll record
to enter the UK charts on 18/12/54---3 weeks before "Rock Around The
Clock" charted here)

And,yes of course the magnificent Joe Turner original is even better
still but IMO that is the #1 GREATEST EVER record of the era and has
to be rated as top of the very,very few 11/10 records there are out
there.

Then there's "R-O-C-K".....IMO another of Haley's very best and fully
deserving of its place in the list---again a great thumping rockin'
sound AND great to dance to as well with a really memorable lyric line
too (yes occasionally even I like the odd standout lyric or
two!)..........

"Strauss discovered waltzes
And the Handy man found the blues
Then Haley came along with a rockin' song
"CRAZY MAN CRAZY"
Crazy news!!"

Same thing applies with the solid as a rock "The Saints Rock 'N Roll "
which is easily my favorite version of the oldie song,again right up
there among Haley's best and again,a great dancer to boot.



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Post by Roger Ford
On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 19:15:28 -0500, Mark Dintenfass

Post by Mark Dintenfass

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.

Bah, I know almost all of these. (Oh, you weren't addressing me, were
you?) Anyway you've got "Burn That Candle" too low and "R-O-C-K" too
high, and not putting "Rock Around The Clock" the head of the list is
just perverse. "Shake, Rattle and Roll" is a pale, bowdlerized cover of
the truly great Joe Turner record. And in my book, no hopped-up version
of "When Saints Go Marching In" is really good, not even Fats Domino's.
Things like "Thirteen Women" and "Forty Cups of Coffee" are so-so,
listenable maybe, but certainly not what I would call "good."

I can't agree with this at all.
For starters Haley's "Shake Rattle And Roll" is one of the very
GREATEST cover records of all time rating an easy 10 in my book
as well as being one of the best ever r&r records to jive to (you
don't dance I imagine? If you did I can't see how you would hold such
a low opinion of it?) .
(Incidentally Haley's version was the VERY FIRST rock 'n' roll record
to enter the UK charts on 18/12/54---3 weeks before "Rock Around The
Clock" charted here)
And,yes of course the magnificent Joe Turner original is even better
still but IMO that is the #1 GREATEST EVER record of the era and has
to be rated as top of the very,very few 11/10 records there are out
there.
Then there's "R-O-C-K".....IMO another of Haley's very best and fully
deserving of its place in the list---again a great thumping rockin'
sound AND great to dance to as well with a really memorable lyric line
too (yes occasionally even I like the odd standout lyric or
two!)..........
"Strauss discovered waltzes
And the Handy man found the blues
Then Haley came along with a rockin' song
"CRAZY MAN CRAZY"
Crazy news!!"
Same thing applies with the solid as a rock "The Saints Rock 'N Roll "
which is easily my favorite version of the oldie song,again right up
there among Haley's best and again,a great dancer to boot.

:-)

[Mark Dintenfass]

Post by Roger Ford
On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 19:15:28 -0500, Mark Dintenfass

Post by Mark Dintenfass

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.

Bah, I know almost all of these. (Oh, you weren't addressing me, were
you?) Anyway you've got "Burn That Candle" too low and "R-O-C-K" too
high, and not putting "Rock Around The Clock" the head of the list is
just perverse. "Shake, Rattle and Roll" is a pale, bowdlerized cover of
the truly great Joe Turner record. And in my book, no hopped-up version
of "When Saints Go Marching In" is really good, not even Fats Domino's.
Things like "Thirteen Women" and "Forty Cups of Coffee" are so-so,
listenable maybe, but certainly not what I would call "good."

I can't agree with this at all.
For starters Haley's "Shake Rattle And Roll" is one of the very
GREATEST cover records of all time rating an easy 10 in my book
as well as being one of the best ever r&r records to jive to (you
don't dance I imagine? If you did I can't see how you would hold such
a low opinion of it?) .
(Incidentally Haley's version was the VERY FIRST rock 'n' roll record
to enter the UK charts on 18/12/54---3 weeks before "Rock Around The
Clock" charted here)
And,yes of course the magnificent Joe Turner original is even better
still but IMO that is the #1 GREATEST EVER record of the era and has
to be rated as top of the very,very few 11/10 records there are out
there.
Then there's "R-O-C-K".....IMO another of Haley's very best and fully
deserving of its place in the list---again a great thumping rockin'
sound AND great to dance to as well with a really memorable lyric line
too (yes occasionally even I like the odd standout lyric or
two!)..........
"Strauss discovered waltzes
And the Handy man found the blues
Then Haley came along with a rockin' song
"CRAZY MAN CRAZY"
Crazy news!!"
Same thing applies with the solid as a rock "The Saints Rock 'N Roll "
which is easily my favorite version of the oldie song,again right up
there among Haley's best and again,a great dancer to boot.

We don't disagree as much as you think. My biggest problem with Haley
is, first, that I liked him a lot but gradually, through overexposure,
got just a little tired of him. So I'm judging him as I feel now, not
how I felt years ago. And second, that for me, experiencing his career
in realtime in the 50s, he seemed to slowly diminish in stature as I
discovered Chuck, Fats, LR, Joe Turner, etc., etc.

[Roger Ford]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 09:49:53 -0500, Mark Dintenfass

Post by Mark Dintenfass

Post by Roger Ford
On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 19:15:28 -0500, Mark Dintenfass

Post by Mark Dintenfass

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.

Bah, I know almost all of these. (Oh, you weren't addressing me, were
you?) Anyway you've got "Burn That Candle" too low and "R-O-C-K" too
high, and not putting "Rock Around The Clock" the head of the list is
just perverse. "Shake, Rattle and Roll" is a pale, bowdlerized cover of
the truly great Joe Turner record. And in my book, no hopped-up version
of "When Saints Go Marching In" is really good, not even Fats Domino's.
Things like "Thirteen Women" and "Forty Cups of Coffee" are so-so,
listenable maybe, but certainly not what I would call "good."

I can't agree with this at all.
For starters Haley's "Shake Rattle And Roll" is one of the very
GREATEST cover records of all time rating an easy 10 in my book
as well as being one of the best ever r&r records to jive to (you
don't dance I imagine? If you did I can't see how you would hold such
a low opinion of it?) .
(Incidentally Haley's version was the VERY FIRST rock 'n' roll record
to enter the UK charts on 18/12/54---3 weeks before "Rock Around The
Clock" charted here)
And,yes of course the magnificent Joe Turner original is even better
still but IMO that is the #1 GREATEST EVER record of the era and has
to be rated as top of the very,very few 11/10 records there are out
there.
Then there's "R-O-C-K".....IMO another of Haley's very best and fully
deserving of its place in the list---again a great thumping rockin'
sound AND great to dance to as well with a really memorable lyric line
too (yes occasionally even I like the odd standout lyric or
two!)..........
"Strauss discovered waltzes
And the Handy man found the blues
Then Haley came along with a rockin' song
"CRAZY MAN CRAZY"
Crazy news!!"
Same thing applies with the solid as a rock "The Saints Rock 'N Roll "
which is easily my favorite version of the oldie song,again right up
there among Haley's best and again,a great dancer to boot.

We don't disagree as much as you think. My biggest problem with Haley
is, first, that I liked him a lot but gradually, through overexposure,
got just a little tired of him. So I'm judging him as I feel now, not
how I felt years ago. And second, that for me, experiencing his career
in realtime in the 50s, he seemed to slowly diminish in stature as I
discovered Chuck, Fats, LR, Joe Turner, etc., etc.

For me his best records stand up today as the classics they still are
every bit as much as the classics they were when first released

As for Haley himself he always had that problem that he looked old
enough to be everyone's dad from the word go. And that silly kiss
curl.......

It made little difference to me at first because I had nothing to
compare against--he was for a while THE rock 'n' roll star even if he
did look a little long in the tooth age-wise.

It all came to a head with the 10 year-old me in a pokey little local
cinema one day in early 1956 with Haleymania still in full swing over
here. The newsreel came on and after the lead stories the voice over
guy said "we now take you over to Memphis Tennessee where America's
newest rock 'n' roll phenomenon is located". And the movie sequence
went on to show this crazy YOUNG guy gyrating wildly on stage in front
of masses of screaming girls.

And looking at that spectacle I knew there and then where the future
lay.And that Bill Haley was a dead man walking


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Post by Mark Dintenfass

Post by Roger Ford
On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 19:15:28 -0500, Mark Dintenfass

Post by Mark Dintenfass

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good
songs.

Bah, I know almost all of these. (Oh, you weren't addressing me, were
you?) Anyway you've got "Burn That Candle" too low and "R-O-C-K" too
high, and not putting "Rock Around The Clock" the head of the list is
just perverse. "Shake, Rattle and Roll" is a pale, bowdlerized cover of
the truly great Joe Turner record. And in my book, no hopped-up version
of "When Saints Go Marching In" is really good, not even Fats Domino's.
Things like "Thirteen Women" and "Forty Cups of Coffee" are so-so,
listenable maybe, but certainly not what I would call "good."

I can't agree with this at all.
For starters Haley's "Shake Rattle And Roll" is one of the very
GREATEST cover records of all time rating an easy 10 in my book
as well as being one of the best ever r&r records to jive to (you
don't dance I imagine? If you did I can't see how you would hold such
a low opinion of it?) .
(Incidentally Haley's version was the VERY FIRST rock 'n' roll record
to enter the UK charts on 18/12/54---3 weeks before "Rock Around The
Clock" charted here)
And,yes of course the magnificent Joe Turner original is even better
still but IMO that is the #1 GREATEST EVER record of the era and has
to be rated as top of the very,very few 11/10 records there are out
there.
Then there's "R-O-C-K".....IMO another of Haley's very best and fully
deserving of its place in the list---again a great thumping rockin'
sound AND great to dance to as well with a really memorable lyric line
too (yes occasionally even I like the odd standout lyric or
two!)..........
"Strauss discovered waltzes
And the Handy man found the blues
Then Haley came along with a rockin' song
"CRAZY MAN CRAZY"
Crazy news!!"
Same thing applies with the solid as a rock "The Saints Rock 'N Roll "
which is easily my favorite version of the oldie song,again right up
there among Haley's best and again,a great dancer to boot.

We don't disagree as much as you think. My biggest problem with Haley
is, first, that I liked him a lot but gradually, through overexposure,
got just a little tired of him. So I'm judging him as I feel now, not
how I felt years ago. And second, that for me, experiencing his career
in realtime in the 50s, he seemed to slowly diminish in stature as I
discovered Chuck, Fats, LR, Joe Turner, etc., etc.

He's not in the league of those guys, but "only 6 good songs and the rest is garbage" is a preposterous statement.

[OleManRiver]

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.
My favorites by Haley and His bands.

My Top Ten would include Rudy's Rock.

[Roger Ford]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 06:09:58 -0700 (PDT), OleManRiver

Post by OleManRiver

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.
My favorites by Haley and His bands.

My Top Ten would include Rudy's Rock.

Another killer and one of my favorite rock 'n roll nstrumentals


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SavoyBG wrote on Wed, 09 October 2019 22:27

Post by SavoyBG

Post by unknown
IMO Haley might have had six good songs but the rest were garbage.

A lot more than 6, but I guess your kind might only know 6 of his many good songs.
My favorites by Haley and His bands.
BILL HALEY & THE COMETS / SADDLEMEN
1. Shake, Rattle And Roll
2. Rock The Joint
3. Rock Around The Clock
4. See You Later Alligator
5. R-O-C-K
6. Tonight's The Night
7. Dim Dim The Lights
8. The Saints Rock 'N Roll
9. Skinny Minnie
10. Dance With A Dolly
11. Burn That Candle
12. Choo Choo Ch'Boogie
13. Hide And Seek
14. Sundown Boogie
15. Crazy, Man, Crazy
16. Green Tree Boogie
17. What'cha Gonna Do
18. Rock-A-Beatin' Boogie
19. Hey Then, There Now
20. Birth of The Boogie
21. Hot Dog Buddy Buddy
22. Real Rock Drive
23. Farewell, So Long, Goodbye
24. Mambo Rock
25. Fractured
26. Rip It Up
27. Calling All Comets
28. Razzle-Dazzle
29. Hook, Line And Sinker
30. Rockin' Through The Rye
31. Rudy's Rock
32. Live It Up
33. Don't Knock The Rock
34. Teardrops From My Eyes
35. Thirteen Women
36. Happy Baby
37. Yes Indeed!
38. Rockin' Chair On The Moon
39. Forty Cups of Coffee
40. Two Hound Dogs

Great list....

[DianeE]

Nobody mentioned Phil Haley & His Comments.

[Roger Ford]

Post by DianeE
Nobody mentioned Phil Haley & His Comments.

I went to school with a girl named Jill Hailey

All the boys in the class wanted to shake,rattle and roll her :)

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