OT Trump On Path To Win

[RWC]

Going by his current lead in most Swing States.

Muslims, angry over Gaza and Lebanon are voting Trump.

60-70% of Americans think America is currently on the
wrong Economic track.

Not much policy detail but Americans like Trump's vibe
in the areas of immigration, jobs, tax, foreign wars...

But Trump might have to rely on Executive Orders if the
Democrats win the House of Reps.

[Bruce]

Post by RWC
Going by his current lead in most Swing States.
Muslims, angry over Gaza and Lebanon are voting Trump.

If so they are really dopes. Trump will be much worse on their people.

[Roger]

Post by Bruce

Post by RWC
Going by his current lead in most Swing States.
Muslims, angry over Gaza and Lebanon are voting Trump.

If so they are really dopes. Trump will be much worse on their people.

Our new left wing Government Foreign Secretary who has to maintain
cordial relations with foreign ally countries especially the USA has in
the past called Trump all the names under the sun and now of course has
to row back on all that he said and pretend he was just joshin'

Should be interesting for future US-UK relationship :)

[Bruce]

Trump is getting a much bigger portion of the Hispanic vote than in the
past. If he does win, that will be a huge factor.

[Dean]

You fucking asshole! Why did you have to post this here?

[bbug]

If Trump wins as projected, I would like to comment on the state of the
voters. Congratulations on electing a liar, a con artist, an immoral
megalomaniac and unprincipled felon. I hope you get what you deserve- a
mini Hitler. I'm grateful that at my age I won't have to suffer the
results for too long.

Not that Kamala and her supporters were prizes. My vote was withheld for
either for good reason.

[Roger]

Post by Dean
You fucking asshole! Why did you have to post this here?

At least Robert De Niro will be pleased

[DianeE]

I agree with Dean. You shouldn't have posted this here. Why don't you
post about your own shithole country?

Post by Dean
You fucking asshole! Why did you have to post this here?

[RWC]

Post by DianeE
I agree with Dean. You shouldn't have posted this here.
I agree with Dean. You shouldn't have posted this here.

The primary reason you posted this response, DianeE, is because
it *unintentionally* highlighted the mass murder of innocent
citizens in the Gaza Strip - Bari Netanyahu (says DianeE)

It's *commonly said* that Netanyahu is maintaining the war to
delay his criminal prosecution for fraud, breach of trust, and
bribery.

Additionally, the International Criminal Court (ICC) has sought arrest
warrants for Netanyahu and other Israeli and Hamas leaders for alleged
war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Post by DianeE
Why don't you post about your own shithole country?

Gee, you are clearly very emotionally upset, DianeE.

Iceland is, of course, not a "shithole country" :-)

And the irony here, DianeE, is that in the next year or two the USA
itself might well become the #1 shithole country in the Western World,
(except for rich folk like Elon Musk and yourself :)

[DianeE]

Post by RWC

Post by DianeE
I agree with Dean. You shouldn't have posted this here.
I agree with Dean. You shouldn't have posted this here.

The primary reason you posted this response, DianeE, is because
it *unintentionally* highlighted the mass murder of innocent
citizens in the Gaza Strip - Bari Netanyahu (says DianeE)
It's *commonly said* that Netanyahu is maintaining the war to
delay his criminal prosecution for fraud, breach of trust, and
bribery.
Additionally, the International Criminal Court (ICC) has sought arrest
warrants for Netanyahu and other Israeli and Hamas leaders for alleged
war crimes and crimes against humanity.

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I'm an American. I'm not an Israeli. Don't make me use my space lasers.

[RWC]

Post by Dean
You fucking asshole! Why did you have to post this here?

an easy to read politically neutral article which helps us
transform rough or vague ideas into concrete words

Title: It's Simplistic to Assume Trump's Devoted Voters Are Irrational.
https://www.fairobserver.com/world-news/us-news/its-simplistic-to-assume-trumps-devoted-voters-are-irrational/

Intro:
The narrative surrounding Donald Trump's supporters often characterizes
them as ignorant and unquestioningly loyal. However, their support stems
from a deep distrust in the American political system and a desire for
change. Trump's appeal lies in his portrayal as an outsider willing to
challenge the status quo, reflecting a rational response to a
dysfunctional political landscape.

[Bruce]

There is just a certain percentage of USA voters who will not vote for a
female president. Turns out that as unliked as Hillary is she did much
better against Trump than Kamala did.

It's also that we just keep firing the incumbent party. The last 3
elections the incumbent party has lost, and the same thing with Clinton
and Obama winning in 1992 and 2008. The last time a party was able to
hold on to the presidency with a new candidate replacing the current
president was 1988.

And like 2008, 2016, 2020 we handed the new party all 3 wins, president,
senate and the house, although the house is not certain yet, but highly
probable.

[Bruce]

FACEBOOK POST FROM DEAN:

When I wake up later today (I work 3rd shift), I am suspending my
Facebook account. As this point, I need to tune out politics and the
news and just live my life. If you’d like to keep in touch while I’m
away, my email address is ***@gmail.com.

I will not express anger and outrage over this election. I won’t point
fingers or blame anyone. To do so would only provide a good laugh to any
MAGAs who might read this. Rather, I will simply acknowledge (with deep
sadness) that the America that I once believed in no longer exists.
Anybody I know who voted for Trump will no longer be in my life. We
don’t merely have a difference of opinion; we have a difference in
morality. I don’t give a damn how long I’ve known you or how close we’ve
become. If you voted for Trump, I’m done with you. Sorry, but actions
have consequences.

As a straight white male in a solid blue state, I’m less concerned about
myself than for those who are NOT straight white males. Trump and his
minions have made no secret of their feelings toward America’s ethnic,
sexual and religious minorities, not to mention people who simply don’t
share their views. This election will further embolden them. For the
first time in my 58 years, I’m thinking about getting a gun and learning
how to use it. Better safe than sorry.

I’m also concerned that following this defeat, the Democratic Party will
shift to the right—exactly as it did after the so-called “Republican
Revolution” of 1994. During his final six years in office, Bill Clinton
made policy decisions for which Ronald Reagan would have been
excoriated. And who suffered for it? Not the wealthy and powerful!

I’m glad I never had kids and that my life is approximately two-thirds
over. With the direction my country has taken, I shudder to think of
where it will be in 50 years. At least I won’t be around to see it.

America: it was nice while it lasted.

[Jim Colegrove]

Post by Bruce
When I wake up later today (I work 3rd shift), I am suspending my
Facebook account. As this point, I need to tune out politics and the
news and just live my life. If you’d like to keep in touch while I’m
I will not express anger and outrage over this election. I won’t point
fingers or blame anyone. To do so would only provide a good laugh to any
MAGAs who might read this. Rather, I will simply acknowledge (with deep
sadness) that the America that I once believed in no longer exists.
Anybody I know who voted for Trump will no longer be in my life. We
don’t merely have a difference of opinion; we have a difference in
morality. I don’t give a damn how long I’ve known you or how close we’ve
become. If you voted for Trump, I’m done with you. Sorry, but actions
have consequences.
As a straight white male in a solid blue state, I’m less concerned about
myself than for those who are NOT straight white males. Trump and his
minions have made no secret of their feelings toward America’s ethnic,
sexual and religious minorities, not to mention people who simply don’t
share their views. This election will further embolden them. For the
first time in my 58 years, I’m thinking about getting a gun and learning
how to use it. Better safe than sorry.
I’m also concerned that following this defeat, the Democratic Party will
shift to the right—exactly as it did after the so-called “Republican
Revolution” of 1994. During his final six years in office, Bill Clinton
made policy decisions for which Ronald Reagan would have been
excoriated. And who suffered for it? Not the wealthy and powerful!
I’m glad I never had kids and that my life is approximately two-thirds
over. With the direction my country has taken, I shudder to think of
where it will be in 50 years. At least I won’t be around to see it.
America: it was nice while it lasted.

Yep.

"R.I.P. America
It was fun while it lasted
1776-2024" —America. 2024

[RWC]

On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 11:21:50 -0600, Jim Colegrove

Post by Jim Colegrove

Post by Bruce
...
America: it was nice while it lasted.

Yep.
"R.I.P. America
It was fun while it lasted
1776-2024" —America. 2024

Dean and Jim might be right, but dwelling on doom and gloom isn't really
my style. I'm inclined to wait and see what actually happens.

I asked Copilot:
what might be the effect of proposed import tariffs on the cost of living
for senior citizens

(me - to state the obvious, seniors with substantial savings or
investments {eg Rick? :} will be better insulated against cost
increases; on the other hand, it's estimated that around 20-30% of
seniors are already living near or below the poverty line)

Response:
Proposed import tariffs, especially those as high as 60%, could
significantly impact the cost of living for senior citizens. Here are
some potential effects:

### Increased Prices on Consumer Goods
- **Essential Items**: Tariffs on imports can lead to higher prices on
everyday items such as clothing, footwear, and household appliances¹.
Seniors, often on fixed incomes, would feel the pinch as their purchasing
power decreases.
- **Healthcare Products**: Many medical supplies and medications are
imported. Tariffs could increase their costs, making healthcare more
expensive for seniors.

### Reduced Spending Power
- **Overall Budget**: Higher prices on imported goods mean seniors would
have to allocate more of their limited budgets to cover basic needs,
reducing their ability to spend on other necessities or leisure
activities.
- **Inflation**: Tariffs can contribute to overall inflation, further
eroding the value of fixed incomes and savings.

### Potential Benefits
- **Domestic Production**: In some cases, tariffs might encourage
domestic production, potentially leading to more affordable
locally-produced goods in the long term. However, this transition period
could be challenging.

### Economic Ripple Effects
- **Market Volatility**: Tariffs can lead to market instability,
affecting investments and retirement funds that many seniors rely on.
- **Retaliatory Tariffs**: Other countries might impose their own tariffs
in response, further complicating the economic landscape and potentially
leading to higher costs for a broader range of goods.

Overall, while the intention behind tariffs might be to protect domestic
industries, the immediate effect on senior citizens could be an increase
in the cost of living, making it harder for them to manage their
finances.

[Jim Colegrove]

Post by RWC
On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 11:21:50 -0600, Jim Colegrove

Post by Jim Colegrove

Post by Bruce
...
America: it was nice while it lasted.

Yep.
"R.I.P. America
It was fun while it lasted
1776-2024" —America. 2024

Dean and Jim might be right, but dwelling on doom and gloom isn't really
my style. I'm inclined to wait and see what actually happens.
what might be the effect of proposed import tariffs on the cost of living
for senior citizens
(me - to state the obvious, seniors with substantial savings or
investments {eg Rick? :} will be better insulated against cost
increases; on the other hand, it's estimated that around 20-30% of
seniors are already living near or below the poverty line)
Proposed import tariffs, especially those as high as 60%, could
significantly impact the cost of living for senior citizens. Here are
### Increased Prices on Consumer Goods
- **Essential Items**: Tariffs on imports can lead to higher prices on
everyday items such as clothing, footwear, and household appliances¹.
Seniors, often on fixed incomes, would feel the pinch as their purchasing
power decreases.
- **Healthcare Products**: Many medical supplies and medications are
imported. Tariffs could increase their costs, making healthcare more
expensive for seniors.
### Reduced Spending Power
- **Overall Budget**: Higher prices on imported goods mean seniors would
have to allocate more of their limited budgets to cover basic needs,
reducing their ability to spend on other necessities or leisure
activities.
- **Inflation**: Tariffs can contribute to overall inflation, further
eroding the value of fixed incomes and savings.
### Potential Benefits
- **Domestic Production**: In some cases, tariffs might encourage
domestic production, potentially leading to more affordable
locally-produced goods in the long term. However, this transition period
could be challenging.
### Economic Ripple Effects
- **Market Volatility**: Tariffs can lead to market instability,
affecting investments and retirement funds that many seniors rely on.
- **Retaliatory Tariffs**: Other countries might impose their own tariffs
in response, further complicating the economic landscape and potentially
leading to higher costs for a broader range of goods.
Overall, while the intention behind tariffs might be to protect domestic
industries, the immediate effect on senior citizens could be an increase
in the cost of living, making it harder for them to manage their
finances.

Let me assure everyone I do not reside on or anywhere near "Doom and
Gloom."
Nor near "Cut and Shoot," "Point Blank," "Ding Dong," "Bug Tussle,"
"Hoop and Holler," "Looneyville," ""Muleshoe," or "Uncertain," all
real towns to be dwelling on or in Texas.

But thanks for your concern.

[Dean]

I don't normally write poetry but came up with this one the day after
the election. It's based on a piece I read in Mad magazine in the late
1970s.

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the president.
“A despot on day one,
“My reign has just begun.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the Republican.
“I leaned evermore right,
“’Til my conscience took flight.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the Democrat.
“At debate, he was lacking,
“So I sent his butt packing.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the Congress.
“When you filled me with morons,
“Disaster was foregone.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the Supreme Court.
“I took away your rights,
“And now you’ve lost the fight.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the church.
“Jesus was my excuse,
“For filleting your goose.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the billionaire.
“A president I bought,
“And the world is distraught.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the Russian.
“In your horse horse race I meddled.
“Now you’re in a fine fettle.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the media.
“I kissed Orange Man’s butt,
“And your throat is now cut.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the TV network.
“I sated the people,
“With shows non-cerebral.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the insurance company.
“All your claims I denied,
“Though you got sick and died.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said Big Oil.
“My gunk filled the oceans,
“Setting slow death in motion.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“I,” said the corporation.
“My carbon emissions,
“Led to clime demolition.
“I killed the country.”

Who killed the country?
“We,” said the people.
“We disdained education,
“Which helped murder the nation.”
“We killed the country.”

[Roger]

Well its all over bar the shouting

Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win and from this
side of the puddle of course I wish him and the great American people
well

I'm not sure exactly how it will work out now between a markedly right
wing administration in Washington and a well-to-the left four month old
government here in London but we can only hope that good relations
continue (after all our PM Tony Blair and your President Bush #2 from
different sides of the political spectrum got along pretty well

Good luck America!

[Bruce]

Post by Roger
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win

WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

[Roger]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win

WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of the Free
World I have congratulated every new President of both left and right
persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

[Bruce]

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win

WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of the Free
World I have congratulated every new President of both left and right
persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

Again, WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

The act that you've always done it before is not a reason to do it. It's
just a statement about the past. I can even accept you congratulating
him in 2016, before we knew what we were getting. But now that we know
we are getting a sexually assaulting convicted felon who started an
insurrection and supports Nazi groups and commits obstruction by hiding
secret documents that he stole, and on and on and on, he deserves
nothing except scorn and ridicule and jail.

I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

[bbug]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of the Free
World I have congratulated every new President of both left and right
persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

Again, WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

Roger could have kept his tradition of congratulating Trump by simply
congratulating him sarcastically:

Congratulations, asshole! You found enough right wing whackos and fooled
enough otherwise normal voters to win a totally undeserved election. But
you might live to regret it, emphasis on the word lived.

[Roger]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win

WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of the Free
World I have congratulated every new President of both left and right
persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

Again, WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

Again...As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of
the Free World I have congratulated every new President of both left and
right persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

[Bruce]

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win

WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of the Free
World I have congratulated every new President of both left and right
persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

Again, WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

Again...As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of
the Free World I have congratulated every new President of both left and
right persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

So anything that you've done on a regular basis in the past
automatically has to continue to be done no matter what the
circumstances are?

Suppose the next president after Trump drops a nuclear bomb on your
country. If he then wins reelection a couple of years later, would you
congratulate him?

[Roger]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win

WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of the Free
World I have congratulated every new President of both left and right
persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

Again, WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

Again...As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of
the Free World I have congratulated every new President of both left and
right persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

So anything that you've done on a regular basis in the past
automatically has to continue to be done no matter what the
circumstances are?
Suppose the next president after Trump drops a nuclear bomb on your
country. If he then wins reelection a couple of years later, would you
congratulate him?

Enough of the stupidity already

[Bruce]

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win

WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of the Free
World I have congratulated every new President of both left and right
persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

Again, WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

Again...As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of
the Free World I have congratulated every new President of both left and
right persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

So anything that you've done on a regular basis in the past
automatically has to continue to be done no matter what the
circumstances are?
Suppose the next president after Trump drops a nuclear bomb on your
country. If he then wins reelection a couple of years later, would you
congratulate him?

Enough of the stupidity already

Yes, I agree. it's very stupid to just blindly congratulate the winner
of this election without regard to what he stands for.

Make sure that your country pays their full share to Nato. Otherwise
he'll tell Russia to do whatever the hell they want to you. Will you
also congratulate him when he withdraws from NATO and leaves you and the
other nations vulnerable?

Roger, you are very rigid in your ways. You are allowed to leave the box
once in a while.

[Roger]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win

WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of the Free
World I have congratulated every new President of both left and right
persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

Again, WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

Again...As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of
the Free World I have congratulated every new President of both left and
right persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

So anything that you've done on a regular basis in the past
automatically has to continue to be done no matter what the
circumstances are?
Suppose the next president after Trump drops a nuclear bomb on your
country. If he then wins reelection a couple of years later, would you
congratulate him?

Enough of the stupidity already

Yes, I agree. it's very stupid to just blindly congratulate the winner
of this election without regard to what he stands for.
Make sure that your country pays their full share to Nato. Otherwise
he'll tell Russia to do whatever the hell they want to you. Will you
also congratulate him when he withdraws from NATO and leaves you and the
other nations vulnerable?
Roger, you are very rigid in your ways. You are allowed to leave the box
once in a while.

Thank you for your kind permission but if you don't mind I'll decide
what boxes I stay in or leave.And I'll definitely decide what stance or
opinion I take on any subject on here.

[DianeE]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win

WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of  the
Free
World I have congratulated every new President of both left and right
persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

Again, WHY would you congratulate that asshole?

Again...As the "new" President of the UK's greatest ally and leader of
the Free World I have congratulated every new President of both left and
right persuasions over the past 25 or so years I've been here

So anything that you've done on a regular basis in the past
automatically has to continue to be done no matter what the
circumstances are?
Suppose the next president after Trump drops a nuclear bomb on your
country. If he then wins reelection a couple of years later, would you
congratulate him?

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I'd congratulate him if he dropped that bomb on Trump.

[Jim Colegrove]

Post by Roger
Well its all over bar the shouting
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win and from this
side of the puddle of course I wish him and the great American people
well
I'm not sure exactly how it will work out now between a markedly right
wing administration in Washington and a well-to-the left four month old
government here in London but we can only hope that good relations
continue (after all our PM Tony Blair and your President Bush #2 from
different sides of the political spectrum got along pretty well
Good luck America!

i don't support Nazis.
Fuck Trump.

[Bruce]

Well, I guess the consequences of this election are already being felt.

A story about Trump voters in Pennsylvania. The owner of a large company
called a meeting for all his employees. He informed them that they won't
be getting their Christmas bonuses this year. He explained that the
company has to buy a year's worth of product before the Trump's tariffs
hit in January.

They said they thought the tariffs were paid by the foreign companies.
He then explained to his employees that the tariffs are paid by the
American companies who import these foreign goods.

Sometimes, you get exactly what you vote for.

[Roger]

Post by Jim Colegrove

Post by Roger
Well its all over bar the shouting
Congratulations to President-elect Trump on his big win and from this
side of the puddle of course I wish him and the great American people
well
I'm not sure exactly how it will work out now between a markedly right
wing administration in Washington and a well-to-the left four month old
government here in London but we can only hope that good relations
continue (after all our PM Tony Blair and your President Bush #2 from
different sides of the political spectrum got along pretty well
Good luck America!

i don't support Nazis.

Neither do I Jim

[BobRoman]

Post by Jim Colegrove
i don't support Nazis.
Fuck Trump.

This note deserves a boost

--
BR

[Bruce]

Post by BobRoman

Post by Jim Colegrove
i don't support Nazis.
Fuck Trump.

This note deserves a boost
--
BR

Bob!

You're alive!

[Jim Colegrove]

Post by BobRoman

Post by Jim Colegrove
i don't support Nazis.
Fuck Trump.

This note deserves a boost

Thanls, Bob.
Go Bucks!

[Bruce]

Post by Dean
I don't normally write poetry but came up with this one the day after
the election. It's based on a piece I read in Mad magazine in the late
1970s.

Here's Rowan's latest poem:


Here comes the story of the MAGAcane!!

The man the authorities came to blame!!

For something THAT he never done!!!

Tried to shoot him but NOW he's the CHAMPion of the WORLD!!!

See how I capitalized the lyrics to match Dylan's inflection there?
That's my own homemade AI contribution, baby!!!