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Doo-Wop Documentary
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bbug
2024-09-23 00:32:38 UTC
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I just stumbled onto a PBS documentary Called "Heart & Soul," about a
third of the way through the 1 1/2 hour show. It documents the early
days of the Doo-Wop vocal groups and is terrific with a jarring
exception.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13915868/

If you can put up with the nauseating rendition of "You Send Me" by
Phoebe Snow, the rest more than makes up for that with footage and
discussions with members of many of the great groups.

As far as I can tell, it will be on 3 local PBS stations, including
WNET,on October 18, at 8 PM. I've already marked my calendar. Well worth
checking with the local PBS stations.
Bruce
2024-09-23 03:01:02 UTC
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Director Kenny Vance

I think I've seen this. It was okay.

Is this the clip they showed?



I guess it was too soulful for you, Bill. Nothing wrong with it IMO.
Much more of a black sound than the Cooke was. I knew her, she was a
semi-regular at Relic when I worked there. Her younger sister came in
more than she did.
bbug
2024-09-23 09:31:32 UTC
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That was not the clip used in the documentary. It was better than the
one used.
bbug
2024-09-23 10:26:36 UTC
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"I think I've seen this."

It would have had to be fairly recently. It was first available for
broadcast in June of this year.
DianeE
2024-09-23 21:24:05 UTC
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Post by bbug
"I think I've seen this."
It would have had to be fairly recently. It was first available for
broadcast in June of this year.
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Phoebe Snow was born in 1950 and died in 2011, so how is she relevant to
the story of early vocal groups?
Roger
2024-09-23 12:34:16 UTC
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Post by Bruce
Director Kenny Vance
I think I've seen this. It was okay.
Is this the clip they showed?
http://youtu.be/6WjwuBYQ9PQ
I guess it was too soulful for you, Bill. Nothing wrong with it IMO.
Much more of a black sound than the Cooke was. I knew her, she was a
semi-regular at Relic when I worked there. Her younger sister came in
more than she did.
Nope,not really for me either

Aretha nails the femme version on this one but Sam still has THE "You
Send Me"
Bruce
2024-09-23 13:27:24 UTC
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Post by Roger
Post by Bruce
Director Kenny Vance
I think I've seen this. It was okay.
Is this the clip they showed?
http://youtu.be/6WjwuBYQ9PQ
I guess it was too soulful for you, Bill. Nothing wrong with it IMO.
Much more of a black sound than the Cooke was. I knew her, she was a
semi-regular at Relic when I worked there. Her younger sister came in
more than she did.
Nope,not really for me either
Aretha nails the femme version on this one but Sam still has THE "You
Send Me"
Sam's is just okay. It's a wimpy pop record if you ask me. Diane doesn't
like it much either. I give it a low 6. It would be lower but his pretty
voice just gets it over the line to a low 6.

My Sam Cooke favorites:

1. Bring It Home To Me
2. That's Where It's At
3. Good Times
4. Chain Gang
5. Another Saturday Night
6. Twistin' The Night Away
7. Touch The Hem Of His Garment
8. Wonderful World
9. Having A Party
10. Shake
11. Only Sixteen
12. Sugar Dumpling
13. Jesus Gave Me Water
14. Cupid
15. That's Heaven To Me
16. Shake, Rattle And Roll
17. Meet Me At Mary's Place
18. Somebody Have Mercy
19. Baby, Baby, Baby
20. Ain't That Good News
21. Sad Mood
22. No One (Can Ever Take Your Place)
23. You Send Me
24. Nothing Can Change This Love
25. Yeah Man
RWC
2024-09-23 14:59:24 UTC
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Post by Bruce
1. Bring It Home To Me
2. That's Where It's At
3. Good Times
4. Chain Gang
5. Another Saturday Night
6. Twistin' The Night Away
7. Touch The Hem Of His Garment
8. Wonderful World
9. Having A Party
10. Shake
11. Only Sixteen
12. Sugar Dumpling
13. Jesus Gave Me Water
14. Cupid
15. That's Heaven To Me
16. Shake, Rattle And Roll
17. Meet Me At Mary's Place
18. Somebody Have Mercy
19. Baby, Baby, Baby
20. Ain't That Good News
21. Sad Mood
22. No One (Can Ever Take Your Place)
23. You Send Me
24. Nothing Can Change This Love
25. Yeah Man
Playlist:
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DianeE
2024-09-23 15:48:05 UTC
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Post by Bruce
Post by Roger
Aretha nails the femme version on this one but Sam still has THE "You
Send Me"
Sam's is just okay. It's a wimpy pop record if you ask me. Diane doesn't
like it much either. I give it a low 6. It would be lower but his pretty
voice just gets it over the line to a low 6.
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I do like it. More of a 7 for me.
I detest "Yeah Man," though.
DianeE
2024-09-23 15:49:02 UTC
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Post by Roger
Aretha nails the femme version on this one but Sam still has THE "You
Send Me"------------
Never heard Mavis Staples' version? It's pretty intense.
RWC
2024-09-23 14:15:40 UTC
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Post by Bruce
Director Kenny Vance
I think I've seen this. It was okay.
Is this the clip they showed?
http://youtu.be/6WjwuBYQ9PQ
I guess it was too soulful for you, Bill. Nothing wrong with it IMO.
Much more of a black sound than the Cooke was.
The Cooke version is vastly superior and *more soulful*.

Post by Bruce
I knew her, she was a semi-regular at Relic when I worked there.
This might explain your bias, Bruce.
Bruce
2024-09-23 16:09:00 UTC
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What bias?

There were lots of recording artists who came in there and some of them
made records that sucked dick.
RWC
2024-09-25 01:53:03 UTC
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Post by Bruce
What bias?
There were lots of recording artists who came in there and some of them
made records that sucked dick.
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