20 FAVE DUETS FROM .......1960

[Roger]

20 FAVE DUET RECORDS

TODAY........FROM 1960

1. CATHY’S CLOWN – THE EVERLY BROTHERS

One of their very biggest hits self penned by the brothers #1 on both
sides of the pond—and their 1st for Warner Bros (and WB's UK debut)

2. WHEN WILL I BE LOVED – THE EVERLY BROTHERS

Did any act ever leave such a valuable number behind after jumping ship
to another label? #8 US/#5 UK

3. NIGHT TIME IS THE RIGHT TIME – RAY CHARLES (MARGIE HENDRIX)

Superb live version of his famous number from 1958 recorded at a concert
in Atlanta Ga in May 1959

4. GEE BABY – JOE & ANN

Irresistible duet from Joe Joseph and Ann Cole recorded for Johnny
Vincent at Ace Records.#14BBr&b

5. A ROCKIN’ GOOD WAY (TO MESS AROUND AND FALL IN LOVE) – DINAH
WASHINGTON & BROOK BENTON

Wonderful revival of the number originally introduced by Priscilla
Bowman (and the Spaniels) in 1958. #7BBpop #1BBr&b

6. YOU’VE GOT THE POWER – JAMES BROWN (BEA FORD)

Nearing the end of his tenure on Federal label here’s a great duet
between Soul Bro #1 and Bea Ford. #86BBpop #14BBr&b

7. BIG TIME SPENDER – CORNBREAD & BISCUITS

Excellent comedic monologue on Maske similar to some humorous Bo Diddley
things.In real life these guys were Hank Gibson & Joe Battles

8. BABY (YOU’VE GOT WHAT IT TAKES) – DINAH WASHINGTON & BROOK BENTON

Much superior remake of the Dorothy Pay number from 1958 this was the
first Dinah/Brook collaboration. #5 BBpop #1BBr&b

9. YOU DRINK TOO MUCH BOOZE – JIMMY RANEY & SLIM SLAUGHTER

On Jo-Dee label I was told this was a Pittsburgh Porky Chedwick fave--I
got hooked the first time I ever heard it.

10. PRETTY BABY ROCK – JIM MYERS & TEX REGAN

Strident rockin’ countrified number recorded by the duo on the Fortune
label showing that Devora & co did dabble in other genres

11. SO SAD (TO WATCH GOOD LOVE GO BAD) – THE EVERLY BROTHERS

Don Everly penned this immediate followup weeper to “Cathy’s Clown” on
Warner Bros. #7 BBpop #5 UK

12. BLUES STAY AWAY FROM ME – DORSEY & JOHNNY BURNETTE

1956 track by the Rock ‘N’ Roll Trio revives the Delmore Bros country
classic that got missed for release until this Coral single in 1960

13. YOU’RE THE BOSS – LaVERN BAKER & JIMMY RICKS

Despite what the YT clip says this is from December 1960 great duet by
LaVern & Jimmy later revived by Elvis & Ann-Margret

14. CAUSE I LOVE YOU – CARLA & RUFUS

On the original Satellite label (before it became Stax) a great duet
here from Rufus Thomas and daughter Carla

15. LIKE STRANGERS – THE EVERLY BROTHERS

From the last Cadence recording session in February 1960 this nice
ballad preceded “When Will I Be Loved” in that session

16. LOUISIANA MAN – RUSTY & DOUG

The original version of the country anthem recorded for Hickory. Take no
notice of YT date this was out December 1960

17. SPOONFUL – ETTA & HARVEY

On Chess the good second ever version of “Spoonful” following the great
Howlin’ Wolf original released a few months earlier

18. GONNA WORK OUT FINE – MICKEY & SYLVIA (UNRELEASED)

The original version of the number that (with an “It’s” added) Ike &
Tina Turner will take high in the charts the following year

19, OH LOVER – SHERRI TAYLOR & SINGIN’ SAMMY WARD

I make this decent r&b duet the tenth record released on the then brand
new Motown label

20. STICK WITH ME BABY – THE EVERLY BROTHERS

Yeah I know it’s the flip of “Temptation” in 1961 but it was out first
on the “Date With The Everly Brothers” LP in 1960

BUBBLING UNDER

21. LOVE HURTS – THE EVERLY BROTHERS
22. TWO BIG FEET – HENRY & MAMIE
23. HEAVENLY BABY – ALLEN & ALLEN
24. LIKE YOU USED TO DO – SHIRLEY & LEE
25. ALWAYS IT’S YOU – THE EVERLY BROTHERS

[Bruce]

Post by Roger
20 FAVE DUET RECORDS
8. BABY (YOU’VE GOT WHAT IT TAKES) – DINAH WASHINGTON & BROOK BENTON
http://youtu.be/9qHocO2Ipmk
Much superior remake of the Dorothy Pay number from 1958 this was the
first Dinah/Brook collaboration. #5 BBpop #1BBr&b

Never heard of this one before, and it wasn't on Rosemont's site, but it
will be soon.

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9. YOU DRINK TOO MUCH BOOZE – JIMMY RANEY & SLIM SLAUGHTER
http://youtu.be/UWm1VUZJPJk

Never heard of this one either, it's good. There's a better sounding one
on YT.

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10. PRETTY BABY ROCK – JIM MYERS & TEX REGAN
http://youtu.be/lnVX0dBoZdU

Another good one I did not know that is being added to the files.

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12. BLUES STAY AWAY FROM ME – DORSEY & JOHNNY BURNETTE
http://youtu.be/oA3vZb-nP88

I recently realized this was not released until 1960 and moved it there.

Post by Roger
16. LOUISIANA MAN – RUSTY & DOUG
http://youtu.be/J4bf-Dd5Xa4

I get it now. The record collector in you likes to use the video that
shows the original 45 even though there may be another one that sounds a
little better.

Post by Roger
BUBBLING UNDER
23. HEAVENLY BABY – ALLEN & ALLEN

Another good one I did not have. I know it's a Toussaint thing, but who
is the other Allen?

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24. LIKE YOU USED TO DO – SHIRLEY & LEE

I'm gonna keep an MP3, but it's way too produced and with a big
orchestra. Does have a pretty good sax break though.

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25. ALWAYS IT’S YOU – THE EVERLY BROTHERS

My first DJ job in 1979 on Wednesdays in a dump called Shortway's
Frankie C. requested this and I told him I didn't have it. He wasn't
happy when he later saw that I did have it. Did not want to play an off
record like this that nobody else in the place would know. Frank was off
Wednesdays at the time but working the other 6 nights at various places.

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[Bruce]

Here is what I have:

15 ¦ A Rockin' Good Way ¦ Brook Benton & Dinah Washington
22 ¦ Blue Angel ¦ Roy Orbison (Joe Melson)
26 ¦ Only The Lonely ¦ Roy Orbison (Joe Melson)
36 ¦ Baby (You Got What It Takes) ¦ Brook Benton & Dinah Washington
37 ¦ When Will I Be Loved ¦ Everly Brothers
45 ¦ Cathy's Clown ¦ Everly Brothers
70 ¦ A Fool In Love ¦ Ike & Tina Turner
72 ¦ You're The Boss ¦ LaVern Baker & Jimmy Ricks
92 ¦ Cause I Love You ¦ Carla and Rufus
104 ¦ The Big Time Spender ¦ Cornbread & Biscuits
197 ¦ I Idolize You ¦ Ike & Tina Turner
214 ¦ You've Got The Power ¦ James Brown
249 ¦ That's All I Want Baby ¦ Memphis Slim & Willie Dixon
252 ¦ Gee Baby ¦ Joe & Ann

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[Roger]

And how they figure on my 1960 faves list

Post by Bruce
15 ¦ A Rockin' Good Way ¦ Brook Benton & Dinah Washington

#98 and an 8

Post by Bruce
22 ¦ Blue Angel ¦ Roy Orbison (Joe Melson)
26 ¦ Only The Lonely ¦ Roy Orbison (Joe Melson)

I don't accept these as bna fide duets since Orbison is out front
singing solo with Joe Melson together with the Anita Kerr Singers
providing the backing (if it was a real duet "Only The Lonely" would top
my list)

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36 ¦ Baby (You Got What It Takes) ¦ Brook Benton & Dinah Washington

#169 and an 8

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37 ¦ When Will I Be Loved ¦ Everly Brothers

#38 and 8

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45 ¦ Cathy's Clown ¦ Everly Brothers

#33 and 9

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70 ¦ A Fool In Love ¦ Ike & Tina Turner

Not a duet

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72 ¦ You're The Boss ¦ LaVern Baker & Jimmy Ricks

#230 and a 7

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92 ¦ Cause I Love You ¦ Carla and Rufus

#364 and 7

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104 ¦ The Big Time Spender ¦ Cornbread & Biscuits

#130 and 8

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197 ¦ I Idolize You ¦ Ike & Tina Turner

Not a duet

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214 ¦ You've Got The Power ¦ James Brown

#101 and 8

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249 ¦ That's All I Want Baby ¦ Memphis Slim & Willie Dixon

Surely just MS singing and WD on piano,no?

Post by Bruce
252 ¦ Gee Baby ¦ Joe & Ann

#80 and 8

[Dean]

Post by Roger
ALWAYS IT’S YOU – THE EVERLY BROTHERS
My first DJ job in 1979 on Wednesdays in a dump called Shortway's
Frankie C. requested this and I told him I didn't have it. He wasn't
happy when he later saw that I did have it. Did not want to play an off
record like this that nobody else in the place would know.

With that guy, always it's obscurities. Typical collector.

[Bruce]

Post by Roger
ALWAYS IT’S YOU – THE EVERLY BROTHERS
My first DJ job in 1979 on Wednesdays in a dump called Shortway's
Frankie C. requested this and I told him I didn't have it. He wasn't
happy when he later saw that I did have it. Did not want to play an off
record like this

That should be "odd record" like this, although it did chart.

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[Bruce]

Post by Dean

Post by Roger
ALWAYS IT’S YOU – THE EVERLY BROTHERS
My first DJ job in 1979 on Wednesdays in a dump called Shortway's
Frankie C. requested this and I told him I didn't have it. He wasn't
happy when he later saw that I did have it. Did not want to play an off
record like this that nobody else in the place would know.

With that guy, always it's obscurities. Typical collector.

Roger is as much of a collector as Frank, yet he vastly prefers the hits
and the classics over most odd records.

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[RWC]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
20 FAVE DUET RECORDS
9. YOU DRINK TOO MUCH BOOZE – JIMMY RANEY & SLIM SLAUGHTER
http://youtu.be/UWm1VUZJPJk

Never heard of this one either, it's good. There's a better sounding one
on YT.
http://youtu.be/AlNsvxO0PLA

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16. LOUISIANA MAN – RUSTY & DOUG
http://youtu.be/J4bf-Dd5Xa4

I get it now. The record collector in you likes to use the video that
shows the original 45 even though there may be another one that sounds a
little better.
http://youtu.be/khtohhm-oFM

Thanks Roger (and Bruce for his 2 links)

Playlist (20 Duets from 1960):
https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=mV6w3LTxMP8,dmtzQjS9Z2A,Rjl-61ZuAto,9OhizQ2mx4s,2a4GNQ_dvHs,uvxB3Yr-Ik4,9jNijwPXBPg,9qHocO2Ipmk,AlNsvxO0PLA,lnVX0dBoZdU,YXeKMZMnoFI,oA3vZb-nP88,vwBInEhspEA,nmzQR-1QLmM,6h6xbW1SzVE,khtohhm-oFM,aZGGWvtKVsg,tIuYv45qGq8,yYC7IKZTe9U,qJ4HKzbwWj8,

[Roger]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
20 FAVE DUET RECORDS
9. YOU DRINK TOO MUCH BOOZE – JIMMY RANEY & SLIM SLAUGHTER
http://youtu.be/UWm1VUZJPJk

Never heard of this one either, it's good. There's a better sounding one
on YT.
http://youtu.be/AlNsvxO0PLA

Thanks. This did not show for me on a YT search but works OK from here

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
16. LOUISIANA MAN – RUSTY & DOUG
http://youtu.be/J4bf-Dd5Xa4

I get it now. The record collector in you likes to use the video that
shows the original 45 even though there may be another one that sounds a
little better.
http://youtu.be/khtohhm-oFM

I must admit that just like Larry in his YT posts I do like seeing the
actual record if possible,yes

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
BUBBLING UNDER
23. HEAVENLY BABY – ALLEN & ALLEN

Another good one I did not have. I know it's a Toussaint thing, but
who is the other Allen?

Possibly Allen "Fats" Matthews? Otherwise ...no idea

[Bruce]

Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
20 FAVE DUET RECORDS
9. YOU DRINK TOO MUCH BOOZE – JIMMY RANEY & SLIM SLAUGHTER
http://youtu.be/UWm1VUZJPJk

Never heard of this one either, it's good. There's a better sounding one
on YT.
http://youtu.be/AlNsvxO0PLA

Thanks. This did not show for me on a YT search but works OK from here

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
16. LOUISIANA MAN – RUSTY & DOUG
http://youtu.be/J4bf-Dd5Xa4

I get it now. The record collector in you likes to use the video that
shows the original 45 even though there may be another one that sounds a
little better.
http://youtu.be/khtohhm-oFM

I must admit that just like Larry in his YT posts I do like seeing the
actual record if possible,yes

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
BUBBLING UNDER
23. HEAVENLY BABY – ALLEN & ALLEN

Another good one I did not have. I know it's a Toussaint thing, but
who is the other Allen?

Possibly Allen "Fats" Matthews? Otherwise ...no idea

Okay, both sides are written by A. Orange and A. Toussaint. Flip is
"Tiddle Winks." It's not as good as HB.


Allen Orange
Real Name:
Allen Julian Orange

Loading Image...

Profile:
R&B artist who worked with Allen Toussaint (billed together as "Allen &
Allen") and other artists through the 1960s and 1970s. He also
owned/managed the label House Of Orange in the 1970s.

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[Roger]

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Post by Roger

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
20 FAVE DUET RECORDS
23. HEAVENLY BABY – ALLEN & ALLEN

Another good one I did not have. I know it's a Toussaint thing, but
who is the other Allen?

Possibly Allen "Fats" Matthews? Otherwise ...no idea

Okay, both sides are written by A. Orange and A. Toussaint. Flip is
"Tiddle Winks." It's not as good as HB.
Allen Orange
Allen Julian Orange
https://i.discogs.com/oO_yHKzzOTOJfwTQilhiYIOspDuC_hqHokKg4Uo1IV8/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:400/w:320/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9BLTQ3ODk4/Mi0xMzgxNDgyMjU2/LTUyODMuanBlZw.jpeg
R&B artist who worked with Allen Toussaint (billed together as "Allen
& Allen") and other artists through the 1960s and 1970s. He also
owned/managed the label House Of Orange in the 1970s.

Right! I'd forgotten about him. Thanks! I think I still have a 45 by him
on Minit somewhere

[Roger]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger
20 FAVE DUET RECORDS
BUBBLING UNDER
23. HEAVENLY BABY – ALLEN & ALLEN

Okay, both sides are written by A. Orange and A. Toussaint. Flip is
"Tiddle Winks." It's not as good as HB.

Yes agreed

Post by Bruce
Allen Orange
Allen Julian Orange
https://i.discogs.com/oO_yHKzzOTOJfwTQilhiYIOspDuC_hqHokKg4Uo1IV8/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:400/w:320/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9BLTQ3ODk4/Mi0xMzgxNDgyMjU2/LTUyODMuanBlZw.jpeg
R&B artist who worked with Allen Toussaint (billed together as "Allen &
Allen") and other artists through the 1960s and 1970s. He also
owned/managed the label House Of Orange in the 1970s.

Here's both sides

[RWC]

This is a fave of mine not on Roger's list or on Bruce's list

Billy and Lillie - Over The Mountain, Across The Sea

(despite the surface noise, for me this is the best sounding YT copy)

[Bruce]

Post by RWC
This is a fave of mine not on Roger's list or on Bruce's list
Billy and Lillie - Over The Mountain, Across The Sea
http://youtu.be/igIM9c_b8t0
(despite the surface noise, for me this is the best sounding YT copy)

FOUL AS FUCK!

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[RWC]

Post by Bruce

Post by RWC
This is a fave of mine not on Roger's list or on Bruce's list
Billy and Lillie - Over The Mountain, Across The Sea
http://youtu.be/igIM9c_b8t0
(despite the surface noise, for me this is the best sounding YT copy)

FOUL AS FUCK!

Thanks for listening.

All *your* fave duets for 1960 are good or better.

[Roger]

Post by RWC

Post by Bruce

Post by RWC
This is a fave of mine not on Roger's list or on Bruce's list
Billy and Lillie - Over The Mountain, Across The Sea
http://youtu.be/igIM9c_b8t0
(despite the surface noise, for me this is the best sounding YT copy)

FOUL AS FUCK!

Thanks for listening.
All *your* fave duets for 1960 are good or better.

The reason its not on my list is that it is utter crap of the first
order.

And I say that as someone who has their "La Dee Dah" on my 1958 list

[Bruce]

Post by Roger

Post by RWC

Post by Bruce

Post by RWC
This is a fave of mine not on Roger's list or on Bruce's list
Billy and Lillie - Over The Mountain, Across The Sea
http://youtu.be/igIM9c_b8t0
(despite the surface noise, for me this is the best sounding YT copy)

FOUL AS FUCK!

Thanks for listening.
All *your* fave duets for 1960 are good or better.

The reason its not on my list is that it is utter crap of the first
order.
And I say that as someone who has their "La Dee Dah" on my 1958 list

I hope that's a typo. "La De Dah" is from 1957.

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[Roger]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by RWC

Post by Bruce

Post by RWC
This is a fave of mine not on Roger's list or on Bruce's list
Billy and Lillie - Over The Mountain, Across The Sea
http://youtu.be/igIM9c_b8t0
(despite the surface noise, for me this is the best sounding YT copy)

FOUL AS FUCK!

Thanks for listening.
All *your* fave duets for 1960 are good or better.

The reason its not on my list is that it is utter crap of the first
order.
And I say that as someone who has their "La Dee Dah" on my 1958 list

I hope that's a typo. "La De Dah" is from 1957.

Yes its on my 1957 list.When typing I forgot tho it was a 1958 hit it
was already out in 1957

[RWC]

Post by Roger

Post by RWC

Post by Bruce

Post by RWC
This is a fave of mine not on Roger's list or on Bruce's list
Billy and Lillie - Over The Mountain, Across The Sea
http://youtu.be/igIM9c_b8t0
(despite the surface noise, for me this is the best sounding YT copy)

FOUL AS FUCK!

Thanks for listening.
All *your* fave duets for 1960 are good or better.

The reason its not on my list is that it is utter crap of the first
order.

Thanks for your subjective opinion, Roger.

Since hearing Johnny & Joe's 1957 version, I've much liked the song
itself (the melody, etc)...

I also enjoy the version by The Orlons (girl group).

[bbug]

Post by RWC
Since hearing Johnny & Joe's 1957 version, I've much liked the song

itself (the melody, etc)...

Post by RWC
I also enjoy the version by The Orlons (girl group).

Two sentences; 2 errors.

It's Johnnie & Joe


The Orlons had a male member, and he's featured often.

[Bruce]

Post by RWC

Post by RWC
Since hearing Johnny & Joe's 1957 version, I've much liked the song

itself (the melody, etc)...

Post by RWC
I also enjoy the version by The Orlons (girl group).

Two sentences; 2 errors.
It's Johnnie & Joe
The Orlons had a male member, and he's featured often.

And he's featured prominently in their version of "Over The Mountain."
It's not as bad as Billy & Lillie's version. The Orlons do a very good
version of this one:

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[RWC]

Post by RWC

Post by RWC
Since hearing Johnny & Joe's 1957 version, I've much liked the song

itself (the melody, etc)...

Post by RWC
I also enjoy the version by The Orlons (girl group).

Bill pounces with glee :-)

Post by RWC
Two sentences; 2 errors.
It's Johnnie & Joe

Sorry, just a careless typo (all my mp3s are spelt Johnnie).

Post by RWC
The Orlons had a male member, and he's featured often.

Sorry again. On listening to The Orlons' version I was too
focused on the girl singing.

[Roger]

Post by RWC

Post by Roger

Post by RWC

Post by Bruce

Post by RWC
This is a fave of mine not on Roger's list or on Bruce's list
Billy and Lillie - Over The Mountain, Across The Sea
http://youtu.be/igIM9c_b8t0
(despite the surface noise, for me this is the best sounding YT copy)

FOUL AS FUCK!

Thanks for listening.
All *your* fave duets for 1960 are good or better.

The reason its not on my list is that it is utter crap of the first
order.

Thanks for your subjective opinion, Roger.

ALL opinions on here about different records are subjective. Nobody's is
objective or else it could not be challenged or disputed.

[Bruce]

Post by Roger

Post by RWC

Post by Roger

Post by RWC

Post by Bruce

Post by RWC
This is a fave of mine not on Roger's list or on Bruce's list
Billy and Lillie - Over The Mountain, Across The Sea
http://youtu.be/igIM9c_b8t0
(despite the surface noise, for me this is the best sounding YT copy)

FOUL AS FUCK!

Thanks for listening.
All *your* fave duets for 1960 are good or better.

The reason its not on my list is that it is utter crap of the first
order.

Thanks for your subjective opinion, Roger.

ALL opinions on here about different records are subjective. Nobody's is
objective or else it could not be challenged or disputed.

Not really. If someone were trying to objectively pick the greatest
records of the year, that opinion could be challenged. That's what I
tried to do on my DDD yearly lists, but no 2 people would entirely agree
on any objective list.

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[Roger]

Post by Bruce

Post by Roger

Post by RWC

Post by Roger

Post by RWC

Post by Bruce

Post by RWC
This is a fave of mine not on Roger's list or on Bruce's list
Billy and Lillie - Over The Mountain, Across The Sea
http://youtu.be/igIM9c_b8t0
(despite the surface noise, for me this is the best sounding YT copy)

FOUL AS FUCK!

Thanks for listening.
All *your* fave duets for 1960 are good or better.

The reason its not on my list is that it is utter crap of the first
order.

Thanks for your subjective opinion, Roger.

ALL opinions on here about different records are subjective. Nobody's is
objective or else it could not be challenged or disputed.

Not really. If someone were trying to objectively pick the greatest
records of the year, that opinion could be challenged. That's what I
tried to do on my DDD yearly lists, but no 2 people would entirely agree
on any objective list.

What do you mean "not really"??

All individual opinions on here about the quality of records of any kind
are subjective and open to challenge of course they are.

OTOH a statement like "Elvis recorded for RCA" is OBJECTIVE and can't be
challenged

Post by Bruce
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[Bruce]

Diane and I often disagree on colors. She'll say something is red and I
will say that it's maroon. We are both being objective, but see it
differently.

--

[Mark]

Post by Bruce
Diane and I often disagree on colors. She'll say something is red and I
will say that it's maroon. We are both being objective, but see it
differently.

Sorry, but what we see (or hear or taste or smell) is not necessarily
objective. An objective statement is purely factual and provable. Our senses
can give us only subjective info since a) we can't demonstrate that they're
not just particular to ourselves because of brains possibly "sensing" the same
stimulus differently.

--md

[Bruce]

Post by Mark

Post by Bruce
Diane and I often disagree on colors. She'll say something is red and I
will say that it's maroon. We are both being objective, but see it
differently.

Sorry, but what we see (or hear or taste or smell) is not necessarily
objective. An objective statement is purely factual and provable. Our senses
can give us only subjective info since a) we can't demonstrate that they're
not just particular to ourselves because of brains possibly "sensing" the same
stimulus differently.
--md

So you can't say that a statement is objective until you research
whether or not it's factual and provable?

And this can change over time, like at one time if you said "Pluto is a
planet in our solar system" that would have been factual and provable 50
years ago, but now the scientific community has said that Pluto is not a
planet.

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[Mark]

Post by Bruce

Post by Mark

Post by Bruce
Diane and I often disagree on colors. She'll say something is red and I
will say that it's maroon. We are both being objective, but see it
differently.

Sorry, but what we see (or hear or taste or smell) is not necessarily
objective. An objective statement is purely factual and provable. Our senses
can give us only subjective info since a) we can't demonstrate that they're
not just particular to ourselves because of brains possibly "sensing" the same
stimulus differently.
--md

So you can't say that a statement is objective until you research
whether or not it's factual and provable?

Read again. I said that our senses generally aren't reliable when it comes to
objectivity. If one person says it's red and another says it's purple the
argument has to stop since there is no "objective" way for them discover who
it "right." Colors are produced in our brains. What's actually out there are
just light rays with different wavelengths.

Post by Bruce
And this can change over time, like at one time if you said "Pluto is a
planet in our solar system" that would have been factual and provable 50
years ago, but now the scientific community has said that Pluto is not a
planet.

This is merely a matter of definition being changed by the scentists. Pluto,
and our "objective" ideas about how big it is and what it's orbit is remain
unchanged.

--md

[Bruce]

Post by Mark

Post by Bruce

Post by Mark

Post by Bruce
Diane and I often disagree on colors. She'll say something is red and I
will say that it's maroon. We are both being objective, but see it
differently.

Sorry, but what we see (or hear or taste or smell) is not necessarily
objective. An objective statement is purely factual and provable. Our senses
can give us only subjective info since a) we can't demonstrate that they're
not just particular to ourselves because of brains possibly "sensing" the same
stimulus differently.
--md

So you can't say that a statement is objective until you research
whether or not it's factual and provable?

Read again. I said that our senses generally aren't reliable when it comes to
objectivity. If one person says it's red and another says it's purple the
argument has to stop since there is no "objective" way for them discover who
it "right." Colors are produced in our brains. What's actually out there are
just light rays with different wavelengths.

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And this can change over time, like at one time if you said "Pluto is a
planet in our solar system" that would have been factual and provable 50
years ago, but now the scientific community has said that Pluto is not a
planet.

This is merely a matter of definition being changed by the scentists. Pluto,
and our "objective" ideas about how big it is and what it's orbit is remain
unchanged.
--md

Other objective facts can change every day, for instance the transfer
rate between dollars and English pounds. On a Sunday when markets are
closed it may be a certain number all day, but sure to change by Monday
night, even if only slightly.

--

[Mark]

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Diane and I often disagree on colors. She'll say something is red and I
will say that it's maroon. We are both being objective, but see it
differently.

Sorry, but what we see (or hear or taste or smell) is not necessarily
objective. An objective statement is purely factual and provable. Our senses
can give us only subjective info since a) we can't demonstrate that they're
not just particular to ourselves because of brains possibly "sensing" the same
stimulus differently.
--md

So you can't say that a statement is objective until you research
whether or not it's factual and provable?

Read again. I said that our senses generally aren't reliable when it comes to
objectivity. If one person says it's red and another says it's purple the
argument has to stop since there is no "objective" way for them discover who
it "right." Colors are produced in our brains. What's actually out there are
just light rays with different wavelengths.

Post by Bruce
And this can change over time, like at one time if you said "Pluto is a
planet in our solar system" that would have been factual and provable 50
years ago, but now the scientific community has said that Pluto is not a
planet.

This is merely a matter of definition being changed by the scentists. Pluto,
and our "objective" ideas about how big it is and what it's orbit is remain
unchanged.
--md

Other objective facts can change every day, for instance the transfer
rate between dollars and English pounds. On a Sunday when markets are
closed it may be a certain number all day, but sure to change by Monday
night, even if only slightly.

Now you've got it. It is an objective fact that time changes things.


--md

[Bruce]

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Diane and I often disagree on colors. She'll say something is red and I
will say that it's maroon. We are both being objective, but see it
differently.

Sorry, but what we see (or hear or taste or smell) is not necessarily
objective. An objective statement is purely factual and provable. Our senses
can give us only subjective info since a) we can't demonstrate that they're
not just particular to ourselves because of brains possibly "sensing" the same
stimulus differently.
--md

So you can't say that a statement is objective until you research
whether or not it's factual and provable?

Read again. I said that our senses generally aren't reliable when it comes to
objectivity. If one person says it's red and another says it's purple the
argument has to stop since there is no "objective" way for them discover who
it "right." Colors are produced in our brains. What's actually out there are
just light rays with different wavelengths.

Post by Bruce
And this can change over time, like at one time if you said "Pluto is a
planet in our solar system" that would have been factual and provable 50
years ago, but now the scientific community has said that Pluto is not a
planet.

This is merely a matter of definition being changed by the scentists. Pluto,
and our "objective" ideas about how big it is and what it's orbit is remain
unchanged.
--md

Other objective facts can change every day, for instance the transfer
rate between dollars and English pounds. On a Sunday when markets are
closed it may be a certain number all day, but sure to change by Monday
night, even if only slightly.

Now you've got it. It is an objective fact that time changes things.

Is it an objective fact that Geoff is a white supremacist?

--

[Jim Colegrove]

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Diane and I often disagree on colors. She'll say something is red and I
will say that it's maroon. We are both being objective, but see it
differently.

Sorry, but what we see (or hear or taste or smell) is not necessarily
objective. An objective statement is purely factual and provable. Our senses
can give us only subjective info since a) we can't demonstrate that they're
not just particular to ourselves because of brains possibly "sensing" the same
stimulus differently.
--md

So you can't say that a statement is objective until you research
whether or not it's factual and provable?

Read again. I said that our senses generally aren't reliable when it comes to
objectivity. If one person says it's red and another says it's purple the
argument has to stop since there is no "objective" way for them discover who
it "right." Colors are produced in our brains. What's actually out there are
just light rays with different wavelengths.

Post by Bruce
And this can change over time, like at one time if you said "Pluto is a
planet in our solar system" that would have been factual and provable 50
years ago, but now the scientific community has said that Pluto is not a
planet.

This is merely a matter of definition being changed by the scentists. Pluto,
and our "objective" ideas about how big it is and what it's orbit is remain
unchanged.
--md

Other objective facts can change every day, for instance the transfer
rate between dollars and English pounds. On a Sunday when markets are
closed it may be a certain number all day, but sure to change by Monday
night, even if only slightly.

Now you've got it. It is an objective fact that time changes things.

Is it an objective fact that Geoff is a white supremacist?

LMAO!

[Roger]

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Diane and I often disagree on colors. She'll say something is red and I
will say that it's maroon. We are both being objective, but see it
differently.

But in reality there is only ONE objective view here.

Your object is either red or maroon

One of you is right and the other needs an optician :)